Very surprised they picked Tommy Schuster over Gronowski as 1st team QB. Gronowski wasn't picked for 2nd team or Honorable Mention!
Guess who was 2nd team QB? A young man named Stone Labanowitz.
Guess which team had the most All-Conference picks? That's right - your Maroon Dawgs !#*#?!
Very surprised they picked Tommy Schuster over Gronowski as 1st team QB. Gronowski wasn't picked for 2nd team or Honorable Mention!
Guess who was 2nd team QB? A young man named Stone Labanowitz.
Guess which team had the most All-Conference picks? That's right - your Maroon Dawgs !#*#?!
Groniwski is out for the year. Tore his ACL during the Spring season. That said, surprised to see Stone L. as Second team…not even sure if he’ll be the starter come opening day.
Interesting to see we have the most on the all-conference team but still picked 4th. I guess people see the talent, just need to see us put it together consistently. Looking forward to this year and hopefully another playoff run!
Very surprised they picked Tommy Schuster over Gronowski as 1st team QB. Gronowski wasn't picked for 2nd team or Honorable Mention!
Guess who was 2nd team QB? A young man named Stone Labanowitz.
Guess which team had the most All-Conference picks? That's right - your Maroon Dawgs !#*#?!
Groniwski is out for the year. Tore his ACL during the Spring season. That said, surprised to see Stone L. as Second team…not even sure if he’ll be the starter come opening day.
Interesting to see we have the most on the all-conference team but still picked 4th. I guess people see the talent, just need to see us put it together consistently. Looking forward to this year and hopefully another playoff run!
I think SL being picked 2nd team shows that the media and coaches think he's a pretty darn QB, unlike a few on here. His job to lose I think. The guy makes plays and doesn't make too many mistakes.
I think NDSU is overrated. I didn't see the great talent there. We don't play them this year - I imagine they're happy about that. We get Mo. State and UND at home. Like to see us pay them back. And I'd really like to see us pluck the Redchickens.
I wonder how closely some of you guys who don't think Stone L. should get the starting job truly watched us last season.
We were the best offense in the conference. SL had arguably better passing stats than Gronowski for SDSU, and nearly led us to the semifinals, despite having a pretty subpar defense. Numbers aside, he has a moxie that most QBs don't, and it showed in some of those late-game situations at the end of the year.
I think he might be the best QB in the conference (and it looks like the league's coaches, media, and sports information directors essentially agree). It'd be insane if he wasn't our QB1 going into the season, no matter how highly our newcomers are thought of.
I can't wait to watch him lead the offense again this year.
Both Stone and Nic Baker remind me of Joel Sambursky in some ways. They play with a lot of confidence, have some elusiveness, make plays, and really take command of the team. Winners.
I don’t think anyone here thinks Stone played poor last year and I certainly never said he shouldn’t get the job, just that I don’t think it’s a certainty. He made good decisions with the ball for the most part last year, has a knack for making plays and I love his toughness. I also think he’ll be QB1 going in to camp.
That being said, there are 7 QBs on this roster and he was #3 going in to the start of the spring season. I’m sure there will be good competition in camp. The two returning players (Baker and Stone L) should have a leg up just with their familiarity with the offense, but the guys coming in have some serious arm talent (that alone doesn’t get you the starting job obviously). I’m good with whoever comes out of the competition on top and we won’t lack for depth at the position that’s for sure.
The year before, SL was #1 until he got injured. #1 last year should have never been #1 - Lyles.
SL does not have a huge arm, but he is very accurate. 72.4% with QB efficiency of 153. 65% and QB rating of 157 the year before in just 4 games.
With all the QBs in the room, our coach may be like an 18 year old in a cathouse! Won't know who to pick.
LOL
Not sure NB doesn’t get nod for QB1.Injury shouldn’t cost NB his job. At the end of the day Dawgs were 6-4 overall and barely made the tournament thx to add on game. I want a QB that can get us over .500 in the league regardless of who it is. NB and SL have some toughness but the playbook is limited. How many screen passes and QB scramble passes can win a championship? Again, tough kids that are gamers but SIU has too many weapons not to use wide open playbook that attacks all the field. JMO.
Not sure NB doesn’t get nod for QB1.Injury shouldn’t cost NB his job. At the end of the day Dawgs were 6-4 overall and barely made the tournament thx to add on game. I want a QB that can get us over .500 in the league regardless of who it is. NB and SL have some toughness but the playbook is limited. How many screen passes and QB scramble passes can win a championship? Again, tough kids that are gamers but SIU has too many weapons not to use wide open playbook that attacks all the field. JMO.
Stone won the starting job year before - lost it due to injury. The coaches and media picked him 2nd team All-Conf. I guess they don't agree with you. We attacked the whole field - not sure what you're talking about. Cox and Lenoir had quite a few long receptions. Check the stats in the Sambursky years.
GP Effic Cmp-Att-Int Pct Yds TD Lng Avg/G
SL 7 153.06 110-152-4 72.4 1241 8 67 177.3
NB 4 142.44 50-74-4 67.6 637 3 65 159.2
If we are .500 in league and just above that overall we miss the tournament this year. Only made it because of covid and lack of teams playing in the spring. There was almost no threat of SIU beating teams over the top. I can count on 1 hand the number of times we took advantage of 1 on 1 coverage on the outside that the QB stood in the pocket and delivered the ball. Hill doesn’t have 7 or 8 QBs on roster because he was comfortable with what was returning. Again, we finished 6-4 and 3-3 in the league.
If we are .500 in league and just above that overall we miss the tournament this year. Only made it because of covid and lack of teams playing in the spring. There was zero threat of SIU beating teams over the top. I can count on 1 hand the number of times we took advantage of 1 on 1 coverage on the outside that the QB stood in the pocket and delivered the ball. Hill doesn’t have 7 or 8 QBs on roster because he was comfortable with what was returning. Again, we finished 6-4 and 3-3 in the league.
You can thank our defense for most of those 4 losses.
If we are .500 in league and just above that overall we miss the tournament this year. Only made it because of covid and lack of teams playing in the spring. There was zero threat of SIU beating teams over the top. I can count on 1 hand the number of times we took advantage of 1 on 1 coverage on the outside that the QB stood in the pocket and delivered the ball. Hill doesn’t have 7 or 8 QBs on roster because he was comfortable with what was returning. Again, we finished 6-4 and 3-3 in the league.
I agree with this. Stone L and Nick Baker did admirably given their talent and size. They are both gamers and good decision makers. However, we are unable to efficiently throw downfield with either of them. We have 2 all american level WR in Lenoir and Cox and have to throw screen passes or quick sideline routes to get them involved. Baker and Stone L. are listed at 5'9" and 5'10" respectively. I think that is being generous. They cannot see over the line to throw downfield effectively. They have had to scramble outside the pocket in order to see downfield. That is not efficient. Plus both their arm strength's are below average. Both of their best attributes are their scrambling, decision making and accuracy. If either FBS transfer QB shows they can play, and learns the system they are going to get a shot due to their size and superior arm strength. A much greater downfield passing threat will open up the running game even more than before, as teams will not be able to sell out against the run or short pass only. Just the facts, IMO.
If we are .500 in league and just above that overall we miss the tournament this year. Only made it because of covid and lack of teams playing in the spring. There was zero threat of SIU beating teams over the top. I can count on 1 hand the number of times we took advantage of 1 on 1 coverage on the outside that the QB stood in the pocket and delivered the ball. Hill doesn’t have 7 or 8 QBs on roster because he was comfortable with what was returning. Again, we finished 6-4 and 3-3 in the league.
I agree with this. Stone L and Nick Baker did admirably given their talent and size. They are both gamers and good decision makers. However, we are unable to efficiently throw downfield with either of them. We have 2 all american level WR in Lenoir and Cox and have to throw screen passes or quick sideline routes to get them involved. Baker and Stone L. are listed at 5'9" and 5'10" respectively. I think that is being generous. They cannot see over the line to throw downfield effectively. They have had to scramble outside the pocket in order to see downfield. That is not efficient. Plus both their arm strength's are below average. Both of their best attributes are their scrambling, decision making and accuracy. If either FBS transfer QB shows they can play, and learns the system they are going to get a shot due to their size and superior arm strength. A much greater downfield passing threat will open up the running game even more than before, as teams will not be able to sell out against the run or short pass only. Just the facts, IMO.
I agree with most of what you said here, especially the height issue. That’s not to say shorter QBs can’t succeed (we’ve seen it at all levels ) but there is an inherent disadvantage. You also need them to take most of their snaps from shotgun, which isn’t super critical given today’s game, but does limit you some in the looks you can give the defense. Where I start to disagree somewhat is on arm strength. Stone L. Has an average arm, but Baker has a pretty strong arm. I think he can make all the throws.
Love that we are having this debate though. Feel like we’ve struggled for quite some time with the QB position, so it’s nice to have what feels like a pretty deep group.
It's all about winning. We had the top offense in the league and the QB with the highest rating (for all games and for conference only games.)
The guy with the most passing yds per game was the WIU QB - how'd they do? LOL
We had one of the worst defenses in the league - especially the rushing defense.
UND loss - we gave up 44 points and 240 rushing yds
SDSU loss - we gave up 44 points (Hill gave up on SL, who was 8 for 9, and put in Lyles 2nd half with disastrous results)
MSU loss - we gave up 30 points...16 in the 4th quarter (MSU's D spent as much time in our backfield 2nd half as SL)
Stats - Conference Games:
PASS EFFICIENCY Cl G Comp-Att-Int Yds TD Eff.
1. Williams Jr., J-SIU So 6 6-11-0 112 2 200.1
2. Labanowitz, Sto-SIU Jr 4 44-58-1 402 3 147.7
3. Baker, Nic-SIU So 4 50-74-4 637 3 142.4
4. Mark Gronowski-SDSU Fr 6 76-133-3 1051 8 138.9
5. Matt Struck-MSU Sr 6 41-64-1 477 2 133.9
6. Tommy Schuster-UND Fr 5 100-153-3 992 8 133.2
7. Jaden Johnson-MSU Fr 4 53-86-2 619 3 128.9
8. Camp,Carson-USD Fr 4 82-130-4 967 3 127.0
9. Sampson, Connor-WIU Sr 6 179-275-6 1744 8 123.6
10. Zeb Noland-NDSU Sr 7 51-100-6 721 5 116.1
TEAM PASS EFFICIENCY G Comp-Att-Int Pct. Yds Avg/G TD Effic.
1. Southern Illinois 10 202-298-13 67.8 2391 239.1 17 145.3
2. South Dakota State 10 124-218-4 56.9 1714 171.4 16 143.5
3. North Dakota 7 131-203-5 64.5 1472 210.3 11 138.4
4. South Dakota 4 83-132-4 62.9 973 243.2 3 126.2
5. Western Illinois 6 181-280-6 64.6 1761 293.5 8 122.6
6. UNI 7 105-195-3 53.8 1371 195.9 2 113.2
7. North Dakota State 10 96-189-10 50.8 1233 123.3 9 110.7
8. Youngstown State 7 83-141-4 58.9 703 100.4 4 104.4
9. Missouri State 10 155-284-10 54.6 1685 168.5 5 103.2
10. Illinois State 4 54-110-6 49.1 640 160.0 3 96.1
TOTAL OFFENSE G Rush Pass Plays Yards Avg/P TD Avg/G
1. Southern Illinois 10 1860 2391 714 4251 6.0 34 425.1
2. South Dakota State 10 2317 1714 598 4031 6.7 36 403.1
3. North Dakota 7 1294 1472 453 2766 6.1 26 395.1
4. Western Illinois 6 338 1761 413 2099 5.1 12 349.8
5. North Dakota State 10 2183 1233 615 3416 5.6 29 341.6
6. Illinois State 4 688 640 282 1328 4.7 7 332.0
7. South Dakota 4 321 973 268 1294 4.8 8 323.5
8. UNI 7 724 1371 433 2095 4.8 12 299.3
9. Missouri State 10 1116 1685 661 2801 4.2 17 280.1
10. Youngstown State 7 1167 703 439 1870 4.3 13 267.1
SCORING OFFENSE G TD FG XPT 2XP DXP Saf Pts Avg/G
1. North Dakota 7 29 3 26 0 0 0 209 29.9
2. South Dakota State 10 36 14 34 0 0 0 292 29.2
3. Southern Illinois 10 34 11 30 1 0 1 271 27.1
4. North Dakota State 10 33 8 28 4 0 1 260 26.0
5. Western Illinois 6 15 5 11 2 0 0 120 20.0
6. UNI 7 13 15 10 2 0 0 137 19.6
7. South Dakota 4 8 5 8 0 0 0 71 17.8
8. Missouri State 10 20 12 19 0 0 0 175 17.5
9. Illinois State 4 8 5 6 0 0 0 69 17.2
10. Youngstown State 7 13 6 10 1 0 0 108 15.4
SCORING DEFENSE G TD FG XPT 2XP DXP Saf Pts Avg/G
1. South Dakota State 10 17 11 15 0 0 0 150 15.0
2. UNI 7 12 8 11 0 0 0 107 15.3
3. North Dakota State 10 24 8 18 2 0 0 190 19.0
4. North Dakota 7 18 7 18 0 0 0 147 21.0
5. Illinois State 4 10 5 9 1 0 0 86 21.5
6. Youngstown State 7 19 7 12 3 0 0 153 21.9
7. South Dakota 4 11 6 10 1 0 0 96 24.0
8. Missouri State 10 32 14 28 2 0 1 268 26.8
9. Southern Illinois 10 38 12 33 0 0 0 297 29.7
10. Western Illinois 6 24 10 23 0 0 0 197 32.8
QBs on MVFC rosters:
SDSU - 6
SD - 5
MSU - 6
YSU - 7
Nick has 8 QBs. The S. Ill. player of the year from Marion is on the roster (6'5")
I'll be surprised if a couple of these guys don't leave to go to a place where they'll play.
