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GoBlueSaluki
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Driving back from the shopping area in Marion On friday, and I was stunned how crowded this Dispensory place by Marion airport was. 

It looked like Best Buy looks before sunrise on Black Friday.   People were lined up around the building to get in.  

There are apparently places in Anna and Harrisburg too.   Anyone think this is gonna cause lots of problems?  

 


   
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Saloukeyfan
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 Anyone think this is gonna cause lots of problems?

 

Train wreck in the makings.


   
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Posted by: @saloukeyfan

 Anyone think this is gonna cause lots of problems?

 

Train wreck in the makings.

Nah, good for the state.  Demand will slow down once the newness wears off and more dispensaries pop up.  Illinois should have done this years ago.


   
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Posted by: @saloukeyfan

 Anyone think this is gonna cause lots of problems?

 

Train wreck in the makings.

Nah, good for the state.  Demand will slow down once the newness wears off and more dispensaries pop up.  Illinois should have done this years ago.

Doritos and Cheetos sales should go up.


   
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Gun sales will go down as FOID owners cant renew their FOID's after having their ID's scanned in to the State marijuana users database.


   
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As long as the revenue doesn't end up in some politician's pocket and it goes towards the right things (I guess in this case it's alleviating the pension issue that will cause the state to go bankrupt), it's probably okay.


   
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Posted by: @dr222

Gun sales will go down as FOID owners cant renew their FOID's after having their ID's scanned in to the State marijuana users database.

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Gun sales will go down as FOID owners cant renew their FOID's after having their ID's scanned in to the State marijuana users database.

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ATF Form 4473  Firearms Transaction Record, Number 11, YES/NO Question e;   e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.  

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download

This question is also #30 on ATF E Form 7 Application For Federal Firearms License (FFL)

https://www.atf.gov/file/61506/download

State FOID renewals require a Federal background check.

Page 18, YES/No question # 7  on the below link.  Use of marijuana is a violation of Federal law.  If you answer YES your application will probably be denied on that fact.  If you answer NO and your ID appears in the Illinois database as purchasing recreational marijuana, I will refer you to page 12 in the same document linked below, "Entering false information on an application for a FOID card is punishable as a Class 2 felony in accordance with section 14(d-5) of the FOID Card Act".  Your FOID can and probably will be denied based on a Class 2 felony.   

https://ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOIDOverview.pdf


   
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Posted by: @dr222
Posted by: @siucubfan8
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Gun sales will go down as FOID owners cant renew their FOID's after having their ID's scanned in to the State marijuana users database.

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ATF Form 4473  Firearms Transaction Record, Number 11, YES/NO Question e;   e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.  

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download

This question is also #30 on ATF E Form 7 Application For Federal Firearms License (FFL)

https://www.atf.gov/file/61506/download

State FOID renewals require a Federal background check.

Page 18, YES/No question # 7  on the below link.  Use of marijuana is a violation of Federal law.  If you answer YES your application will probably be denied on that fact.  If you answer NO and your ID appears in the Illinois database as purchasing recreational marijuana, I will refer you to page 12 in the same document linked below, "Entering false information on an application for a FOID card is punishable as a Class 2 felony in accordance with section 14(d-5) of the FOID Card Act".  Your FOID can and probably will be denied based on a Class 2 felony.   

https://ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOIDOverview.pdf

This is a very interesting subject to me.  There is a lot of gray area here, misinformation on the internet etc.

Below is from ISP site, I know it only is talking about medical but ISP released a statement saying they will not revoke FOID cards for recreational as well.

If I am a qualifying patient or designated caregiver pursuant to the Compassionate Use of Medical Cannabis Pilot Program Act and hold a valid Medical Cannabis Card, are my Firearms Owners Identification Card and Concealed Carry License still valid?
Medical marijuana cardholders will not have their FOID or CCL cards revoked, or be denied issuance of a FOID or CCL card, due to their status as a medical marijuana cardholder. Such cards are State-issued, governed by State law, and State law requires that a person's status as a medical marijuana cardholder not result in the denial of any right or privilege.

   
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Posted by: @siucubfan8
Posted by: @dr222
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Gun sales will go down as FOID owners cant renew their FOID's after having their ID's scanned in to the State marijuana users database.

Source?

ATF Form 4473  Firearms Transaction Record, Number 11, YES/NO Question e;   e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.  

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download

This question is also #30 on ATF E Form 7 Application For Federal Firearms License (FFL)

https://www.atf.gov/file/61506/download

State FOID renewals require a Federal background check.

Page 18, YES/No question # 7  on the below link.  Use of marijuana is a violation of Federal law.  If you answer YES your application will probably be denied on that fact.  If you answer NO and your ID appears in the Illinois database as purchasing recreational marijuana, I will refer you to page 12 in the same document linked below, "Entering false information on an application for a FOID card is punishable as a Class 2 felony in accordance with section 14(d-5) of the FOID Card Act".  Your FOID can and probably will be denied based on a Class 2 felony.   

https://ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOIDOverview.pdf

This is a very interesting subject to me.  There is a lot of gray area here, misinformation on the internet etc.

Below is from ISP site, I know it only is talking about medical but ISP released a statement saying they will not revoke FOID cards for recreational as well.

If I am a qualifying patient or designated caregiver pursuant to the Compassionate Use of Medical Cannabis Pilot Program Act and hold a valid Medical Cannabis Card, are my Firearms Owners Identification Card and Concealed Carry License still valid?
Medical marijuana cardholders will not have their FOID or CCL cards revoked, or be denied issuance of a FOID or CCL card, due to their status as a medical marijuana cardholder. Such cards are State-issued, governed by State law, and State law requires that a person's status as a medical marijuana cardholder not result in the denial of any right or privilege.

I am aware of the FOID provision written into law for a Medical Cannabis Card.  That provision does not cover a FOID application/renewal for recreational cannabis use.  The misinformation from the internet is why I provided links to government websites in my source response above.

I have not seen the statement from ISP you referenced on not revoking FOID's for recreational use.  The problem is not necessarily revoking FOID's it comes at FOID application renewal and passing the Federal background check in answering the questions originally linked above.  The statement you reference on recreational cannabis appears to address the State taking your FOID due to recreational use.  It does not address what will happen during the application/renewal process where a FOID may not be renewed due to recreational use.  The FOID renewal process was recently changed by State law from 10 years to 5 years.  So every 5 years a FOID cardholder will have to answer the Federal background check questions on their renewal applications.

There are really no gray areas in this law.  The Gray areas come with enforcement and how far will the Illinois State Police, the State agency responsible for issuing FOID's, go in review of those applications/renewals.  That is the gray yet to be seen.  The ISP will have the recreational cannabis use database at their fingertips, and if there is am agency/State policy objective to reduce the number of guns in the State, I'm sure the law, as written, will be used against previously legal gun owners.  One purchase of recreational cannabis may not trigger such ISP action on enforcement, but multiple purchases by a single user could easily determine a habitual cannabis user for FOID application/renewal review purposes. 

Another thing that is not being written much about in Illinois is if a recreational marijuana user is found in possession of marijuana on Federal land by a Federal agent.  This could be walking a trail with the cannabis on your person, our found in a vehicle being searched parked on Federal land.  There are many possibilities of this happening in Southern Illinois with the Shawnee National Forest and US Fish and Wildlife properties (including Crab Orchard, Devils Kitchen, Little Grassy lakes and land area).  Also the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers manages much of the property at Rend Lake.  Those Federal agencies have Rangers that patrol and have jurisdiction on most all Federal properties.  There is another Federal element that is in play with airports and TSA agents. An unlawful Federal cannabis possession will apply if cannabis is found in a vehicle in an airport parking lot under TSA control.  The below linked article published by a Colorado law firm in 2018 addresses some of the concerns involving Federal land in Colorado 4 years after recreational use was legalized.  Again this could be taken as internet misinformation, but I feel it is relevant that 4 years after passing a recreational cannabis law, people in Colorado are still dealing with clarification on cases of misuse.

   http://rogersandmoss.com/blog/14-criminal-law-articles/99-know-the-rules-using-marijuana-in-a-national-park       


   
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Posted by: @gobluesaluki

There are apparently places in Anna and Harrisburg too.   Anyone think this is gonna cause lots of problems?  

 

The first week brought in close to 11 million in sales, and saw more than 271,000 transactions.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/us/illinois-marijuana-sales-11-million-trnd/index.html

Some of the Chicago dispensers had to stop rec sales due to lack of products.

 


   
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Posted by: @woofie2
Posted by: @gobluesaluki

There are apparently places in Anna and Harrisburg too.   Anyone think this is gonna cause lots of problems?  

 

The first week brought in close to 11 million in sales, and saw more than 271,000 transactions.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/us/illinois-marijuana-sales-11-million-trnd/index.html

Some of the Chicago dispensers had to stop rec sales due to lack of products.

 

"Lack of product" is going to be an ongoing issue for at least the next 6 months.  It was known going in, and advertised as such prior to the first of the year.  The priority is being given, and should be, to those with medical marijuana credentials.  They are required to hold in reserve a certain amount in order to honor those with medical necessity.

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