When was Trent Brown EVER that guy? The one time he scored 11 on Senior Night? OK...
The Butler game aka The Trent Brown Game! 21 points on 5-6 from 3.
When was Trent Brown EVER that guy? The one time he scored 11 on Senior Night? OK...
The Butler game aka The Trent Brown Game! 21 points on 5-6 from 3.
@rockin-dawg exactly. That’s what I mean. He never has produced as that “guy,” but the coaching staff’s recruiting or rotation choices routinely left him in a spot where he was labeled as the third option on the floor or supposed to produce at that level given the amount of minutes he was playing but he never produced. Same with Newton. If you swap out their minutes for someone even producing at middle league average on offense with a little size and length, all the sudden we probably win another game or two and get over the hump.
My main point: We had Marcus and most of the time Lance producing at a star level but everyone else from Trent, to Dalton, to JD, Foster, Newton, etc were all stuck in a middling contributor profile and unable to provide a consistent steady third option. The one breakout game D’Amico had against Mo State at home, we won by double digits. Just imagine if someone provided that every night. Good teams have that.
So are we gonna have to wait until the NCAA and NIT field are announced before it’s decided whether we play in one of the lower level pay tournaments?
I don’t think we are going to because there is no purpose to it. The coaching staff isn’t just going to all the sudden decide to bench the seniors and play freshmen most of the game or even a lot more.
Supporter of the Fab 4: Scottie Ebube, Foster Wonders, AJ Ferguson & Cade Hornecker.
They’re the ones that can get us where we haven’t been in 15 years.
The reason you would play would be the opposite to me... If the seniors are coming back you use it as extra practice and a springboard into next year... If they are leaving you don't need to play in the CBI or whatever. I agree, if they do play in one and the seniors are coming back you give Mulia minutes to Ebube and Cade and Newton/Brown minutes to Foster and AJ.So are we gonna have to wait until the NCAA and NIT field are announced before it’s decided whether we play in one of the lower level pay tournaments?
I don’t think we are going to because there is no purpose to it. The coaching staff isn’t just going to all the sudden decide to bench the seniors and play freshmen most of the game or even a lot more.
You can tell the people who are bashing Coupet are the ones who are not in tune with the direction modern college basketball is going. In no simulation would bashing a 41% 3 point shooter make sense especially since 33% from 3 equals 50% from 2.
We need to be more in tune with modern college basketball, not less.
You can tell the people who are bashing Coupet are the ones who are not in tune with the direction modern college basketball is going. In no simulation would bashing a 41% 3 point shooter make sense especially since 33% from 3 equals 50% from 2.
We need to be more in tune with modern college basketball, not less.
I agree Coupet would have been a better third scoring option on this year’s team than anyone they had. Not bashing him. But … last season, SIU had Domask, Jones, Coupet, etc., and they were a .500 Valley team. So, clearly he was not a difference-maker, right? The results were the results.
Both SalukiWorld and I mentioned at the beginning of the year how critical it was for SIU to win THIS year (year 4) for many reasons, one of the most important being RECRUITING. With this teams lack of success over the past 4 years it makes it difficult to land key players that can make a difference.
I think this is the most critical offseason in Mullins coaching career. If he is unable to keep and/or land players that can make a difference and this team fails to make a post season yet again, then we might be looking for a change and another X years of losing.
You can tell the people who are bashing Coupet are the ones who are not in tune with the direction modern college basketball is going. In no simulation would bashing a 41% 3 point shooter make sense especially since 33% from 3 equals 50% from 2.
We need to be more in tune with modern college basketball, not less.
My point was that he was a 24 year old in his 6th year of college basketball who averaged 10 ppg in conference play and that that is not particularly impressive.
Both SalukiWorld and I mentioned at the beginning of the year how critical it was for SIU to win THIS year (year 4) for many reasons, one of the most important being RECRUITING. With this teams lack of success over the past 4 years it makes it difficult to land key players that can make a difference.
The good news is you can sell potential recruits on a 23 win season. We can argue the true value of those 23 wins using KenPom and NET but I think recruits are just going to see the 23 wins and see progress being made.
Both SalukiWorld and I mentioned at the beginning of the year how critical it was for SIU to win THIS year (year 4) for many reasons, one of the most important being RECRUITING. With this teams lack of success over the past 4 years it makes it difficult to land key players that can make a difference.
The good news is you can sell potential recruits on a 23 win season. We can argue the true value of those 23 wins using KenPom and NET but I think recruits are just going to see the 23 wins and see progress being made.
For what it’s worth, our RPI was around 75 I think and our league may have been a borderline multi bid league if it were still used today. Back in the 2000’s, we had the luxury of using RPI instead of NET and if you’re really going to use apples to apples comparison to how good we were then, RPI is more relevant than NET.
In terms of winning for recruiting and helping recruiting this team absolutely did that. Remember, Bryan got Domask to commit to a total rebuild. Now we have a 3rd place finish, a win in STL where Saluki nation showed up and was loud and proud, we routinely put 5k in the arena and some nights 6 and pushing 7... If this group is done, they did their job, Carbondale may not appear to be a place you would love to be but playing basketball at SIU is absolutely appealing now. We have fans at home, we have fans that travel, our dawg pound received national recognition and we did win. I am going to say it and say it again, just because seniors graduate does not mean you start over... THIS IS THE BEGINNING! THIS IS THE FOUNDATION!Both SalukiWorld and I mentioned at the beginning of the year how critical it was for SIU to win THIS year (year 4) for many reasons, one of the most important being RECRUITING. With this teams lack of success over the past 4 years it makes it difficult to land key players that can make a difference.
I think this is the most critical offseason in Mullins coaching career. If he is unable to keep and/or land players that can make a difference and this team fails to make a post season yet again, then we might be looking for a change and another X years of losing.
"First you build the culture."
I can't wait to see what the next 5 years has in store!
I'm not one of those people to dismiss the importance of culture. I do think it matters and I do think Mullins has built a very strong one, with a great collection of kids.
"First you build the culture" implies that leads to big success on the floor ... it's time to start putting the ball in the basket more often.
@saluki-4-life That's a great perspective, let's keep fielding a winning team and incremental improvements are all that's needed. Not a flush and start over approach indeed.
I am going to say it and say it again, just because seniors graduate does not mean you start over... THIS IS THE BEGINNING! THIS IS THE FOUNDATION!Both SalukiWorld and I mentioned at the beginning of the year how critical it was for SIU to win THIS year (year 4) for many reasons, one of the most important being RECRUITING. With this teams lack of success over the past 4 years it makes it difficult to land key players that can make a difference.
I think this is the most critical offseason in Mullins coaching career. If he is unable to keep and/or land players that can make a difference and this team fails to make a post season yet again, then we might be looking for a change and another X years of losing.
If the Seniors don’t return, SIU is going to lose 4 of their 5 starters and 6 of 9 players that were getting minutes most nights. That’s really tough to come back from in one offseason but not impossible with the portal. I’ve not seen enough from the staff that tells me they can hit on multiple portal guys though. They’ve hit marginally on some like Coupet and Johnson but whiffed on several guys. They need to find players that can have a Barret Benson impact.
I think part of the frustration for me over the past 2 years is the reluctance to play and develop young players. They went all in on Seniors this year and it didn’t even lead to postseason basketball. For all the talk about how old Drake was this year, SIU was pretty old themselves, they actually had more D-1 Experience as a team than Drake. Now Dalton Banks is your only Senior and Banks, D’Amico, Rupert are your only for sure returning regulars. I can’t have confidence in Wonders, Hornecker, Ebube, Ferguson having a big impact next year when they couldn’t touch the court this season.
Maybe next year you drop to 6th in the valley for a year and then the peak of that core is winning the MVC and MVCT. The point was just that graduating seniors does not mean starting over. I love Domask and Jones but them leaving does not mean we cant improve over time. Bradley lost seniors a couple years ago and went on to improve their position over the next 2 years. This is a program, not a team. Missouri State is a team, our program is slowly getting better players and we are building. Belmont is a perfect example of unproven game players that stepped in this year and played well. I have faith we have players on the bench who will do the same. So what if we fall back for a year and then push even higher. Success is not linear.I am going to say it and say it again, just because seniors graduate does not mean you start over... THIS IS THE BEGINNING! THIS IS THE FOUNDATION!Both SalukiWorld and I mentioned at the beginning of the year how critical it was for SIU to win THIS year (year 4) for many reasons, one of the most important being RECRUITING. With this teams lack of success over the past 4 years it makes it difficult to land key players that can make a difference.
I think this is the most critical offseason in Mullins coaching career. If he is unable to keep and/or land players that can make a difference and this team fails to make a post season yet again, then we might be looking for a change and another X years of losing.
If the Seniors don’t return, SIU is going to lose 4 of their 5 starters and 6 of 9 players that were getting minutes most nights. That’s really tough to come back from in one off season but not impossible with the portal. I’ve not seen enough from the staff that tells me they can hit on multiple portal guys though. They’ve hit marginally on some like Coupet and Johnson but whiffed on several guys. They need to find players that can have a Barret Benson impact.
I think part of the frustration for me over the past 2 years is the reluctance to play and develop young players. They went all in on Seniors this year and it didn’t even lead to postseason basketball. For all the talk about how old Drake was this year, SIU was pretty old themselves, they actually had more D-1 Experience as a team than Drake. Now Dalton Banks is your only Senior and Banks, D’Amico, Rupert are your only for sure returning regulars. I can’t have confidence in Wonders, Hornecker, Ebube, Ferguson having a big impact next year when they couldn’t touch the court this season.
