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So Spike where do you stand on scheduling non D-1 opponents?😂


   
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Posted by: @spike

The Valley could fix this issue by:

1. Going to a 16 game conference schedule. Playing 20 games in conference is a hindrance to the league not a boon.

2. Schedule more H/H with good mid majors. If you have to start on the road so be it. 

3. Do more buy games and 2-1 with P5 schools.

4. Stop scheduling non D1 schools. There should never be a non-D1 on the schedule. It is inexcusable. 

When the conference was a consistently multi bid league the league mandated pretty strict scheduling guidelines. The league slowly started loosening those and now we have a league full of programs content to schedule as easy as possible to pad W/L records.

 

power 5 teams will not

do 2-1’s. they will not do 3-0. It’s not Like we didn’t try. DePaul refused to play us. NU refusing to play us. UOI.  Purdue. IU.  Kentucky, Louisville Memphis VANDY it doesn’t do them any good   So they rather schedule a cup cake and win by 20 and it looks better on their resume  

We had OKSTATE and Missouri in the last 7 years. Power 5 school know the rules and how the game is played.  It’s almost impossible to get a game within a 6 hour drive of SIU. 

 


   
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"P5 will not do 2/1!"

Mentions Oklahoma State who SIU is currently in a 2/1.


   
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@spike 

try calling our power 5 state school, try Indiana's power 5 try Kentucky’s.   you don’t think Mullins tried to schedule buy games.  
it’s not as easy as it looks.  


   
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Indiana State gets the 1 seed and SMU in the NIT.

Bradley gets the 3 seed and...Loyola Chicago


   
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Tough day for the trees 

 

ESPN sources with @PeteThamel: Saint Louis is in talks with Indiana State's Josh Schertz to make him the Billikens' next head coach. No deal is done, but the two sides are in discussions.


   
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@cosmos  Probably not happy but Iowa St. is very good !


   
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Posted by: @barkeep-1967

Tough day for the trees 

 

ESPN sources with @PeteThamel: Saint Louis is in talks with Indiana State's Josh Schertz to make him the Billikens' next head coach. No deal is done, but the two sides are in discussions.

https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1769540775124115905

Not good for Indiana State and they don't really have a good in-house candidate I think.

 

 


   
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That would probably be a $2 million/year raise for Schertz.


   
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What a brutal day for Indiana State if that ends up being true.


   
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I don't think there was any doubt Schertz was gone after this year. He is a very good coach and recruiter. I thought he may go to an even bigger program like OK St. or something similar. He'll make at least $2 mill and Indy St. can't come close to that!


   
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Posted by: @sandman95

So Spike where do you stand on scheduling non D-1 opponents?😂

🤣

 


   
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In news from other tourneys not named the NCAA...

In the NIT, the once-excellent rule that gave any conference regular season champ an auto-bid for the NIT should they not make it to the NCAA tourney... well, by giving that rule the boot this year, we've got a glut of Power conference teams once again taking over half the spots in the NIT, with 17 of them in the field.  And 13 of those teams get to host a first-round game as well, since the NIT folks made another rule that at least two teams minimum from every Power 6 conference would not only be selected, but they'd also get a home game!  

Even with 17 Power 6 teams in the NIT, that number could have been as many as 23(!) out of 32, but we've got six Power conference teams on record declining an NIT bid (St. John's, Pitt, Oklahoma, Memphis, Ole Miss and Indiana that we know of), pretty much because the portal transfer season begins tomorrow.  And that number's probably even higher, since the Pac-12 still only had one team in the NIT field, so it's likely that Washington and/or USC might have declined as well.

Yep, you read that right... Power teams are now declining to play in the NIT because it would get in the way of their focus on scrounging through the transfer portal... even though all six of these teams would play in the NCAA tourney in a heartbeat if they were picked as an at-large.

Instead of giving bids to a number of small-conference regular season champs that would gladly play in the NIT if given the chance, the NIT committee's instead chasing Power teams to try and fill their field, and that's a really bad look for not just the NIT, but the NCAA as a whole.  If teams are ditching the NIT just to hunt players in the transfer portal, the NCAA needs to push that portal "opening day" to AFTER all of the postseason tourneys are done - period.  

As for the CBI and CIT... they've got the same ol' problems as before in not being able to fill up a bracket like either one had hoped.  The CBI is going with a 15(?) team bracket, and had to scramble just to fill their tourney with the likes of Chicago State (296 NET), Bethune-Cookman (308 NET) and Delaware State (305 NET).

The CIT's in even worse shape, as their planned 16-team deal currently has only 9 teams as of midnight Central.  Alabama A&M (326 NET) and Texas Southern (278 NET) are actually in this thing, so yep, the CIT's also scraping the bottom of the barrel, just trying to find any warm body to fill a seat.


   
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Posted by: @goroshnik

In news from other tourneys not named the NCAA...

In the NIT, the once-excellent rule that gave any conference regular season champ an auto-bid for the NIT should they not make it to the NCAA tourney... well, by giving that rule the boot this year, we've got a glut of Power conference teams once again taking over half the spots in the NIT, with 17 of them in the field.  And 13 of those teams get to host a first-round game as well, since the NIT folks made another rule that at least two teams minimum from every Power 6 conference would not only be selected, but they'd also get a home game!  

Even with 17 Power 6 teams in the NIT, that number could have been as many as 23(!) out of 32, but we've got six Power conference teams on record declining an NIT bid (St. John's, Pitt, Oklahoma, Memphis, Ole Miss and Indiana that we know of), pretty much because the portal transfer season begins tomorrow.  And that number's probably even higher, since the Pac-12 still only had one team in the NIT field, so it's likely that Washington and/or USC might have declined as well.

Yep, you read that right... Power teams are now declining to play in the NIT because it would get in the way of their focus on scrounging through the transfer portal... even though all six of these teams would play in the NCAA tourney in a heartbeat if they were picked as an at-large.

Instead of giving bids to a number of small-conference regular season champs that would gladly play in the NIT if given the chance, the NIT committee's instead chasing Power teams to try and fill their field, and that's a really bad look for not just the NIT, but the NCAA as a whole.  If teams are ditching the NIT just to hunt players in the transfer portal, the NCAA needs to push that portal "opening day" to AFTER all of the postseason tourneys are done - period.  

As for the CBI and CIT... they've got the same ol' problems as before in not being able to fill up a bracket like either one had hoped.  The CBI is going with a 15(?) team bracket, and had to scramble just to fill their tourney with the likes of Chicago State (296 NET), Bethune-Cookman (308 NET) and Delaware State (305 NET).

The CIT's in even worse shape, as their planned 16-team deal currently has only 9 teams as of midnight Central.  Alabama A&M (326 NET) and Texas Southern (278 NET) are actually in this thing, so yep, the CIT's also scraping the bottom of the barrel, just trying to find any warm body to fill a seat.

 

great analysis of what is becoming the death rattle of mid majors. The power 5 conferences in 5 years or less will be the only teams playing in the big dance and the NIT. mids will be regulated to the pay for play tournaments.  When the Tv contracts see a drop in viewership. Then it will be to late because the horse will out the barn door and not coming back. 

 


   
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This could get really ugly for ISUblue. Now, granted, this guy is quite the cheerleader for SLU. Moreso than any other sports guy in St. Louis. 

 

https://twitter.com/Frank_Cusumano/status/1769556095968719094?s=20


   
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