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Probably the hardest laugh I have gotten from this forum….no improvement over age 22.  X seems to have a quicker burst this year and his step back pull up jumper is better.  Has Trent improved any?


   
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Posted by: @johnny-utah

Probably the hardest laugh I have gotten from this forum….no improvement over age 22.  X seems to have a quicker burst this year and his step back pull up jumper is better.  Has Trent improved any?

Trent's been much better this season.  I think the last few games he's looking to drive and be more of a playmaker which I like.

 


   
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Do you guys not watch the nba? Development is almost halted at 22? Players don’t reach their basketball primes til 26-28. Of course someone can progress significantly from 21-22 or even 22-23. 

disagree - your shooting is not going to improve much after age 22 and neither are your jumping/passing skills but there is a long stretch where your experience and great coaching and physical training (as in the NBA) enhances your game and it depends on the player - Larry Bird was a great player and great shooter his last year in college - don't think he got any more skilled after that, just smarter and more experienced

Some guys that go to the NBA at 19 definitely improve. Some guys who were suppressed due to their college coach's system really blossom in the NBA one-on-one game (Michael Jordan and many others).

And shooting 15 times a game vs 4 times a game (XJ) is sure as H going to up your average.

 


   
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Probably the hardest laugh I have gotten from this forum….no improvement over age 22.  X seems to have a quicker burst this year and his step back pull up jumper is better.  Has Trent improved any?

Don't think so - you're ignoring the facts - XJ's shooting almost exactly the same percentage he did last year when he led the team in 3 pt ave. (42%) He's definitely much more aggressive - I'm sure Mullins wants that and needs that. He's shooting 14+ times a game vs 4+ times a game. 

Trent plays D exactly like he has the last couple of years - tough and solid but not super quick - he's had some good shooting games but not the last two. He's more of a take charge guard this year - last year it was Jones and Domask. More of a change in roles and coaching and expectations and maturity than better skills.

 

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Probably the hardest laugh I have gotten from this forum….no improvement over age 22.  X seems to have a quicker burst this year and his step back pull up jumper is better.  Has Trent improved any?

Don't think so - you're ignoring the facts - XJ's shooting almost exactly the same percentage he did last year when he led the team in 3 pt ave. (42%) He's definitely much more aggressive - I'm sure Mullins wants that and needs that. He's shooting 14+ times a game vs 4+ times a game. 

Trent plays D exactly like he has the last couple of years - tough and solid but not super quick - he's had some good shooting games but not the last two. He's more of a take charge guard this year - last year it was Jones and Domask. More of a change in roles and coaching and expectations and maturity than better skills.

 

X is shooting the same percentage being the dude this year as compared to being number three last year.  Defenses know he’s the guy and he’s still shooting that high percentage.  The percentage might be the same but the style of shot is not the same as last.  

As for NBA players…..you think most are as good of shooters in college as they are in the NBA?  It’s not just experience or strength…..Steph curry could shoot in college but I’d say he’s better now than he was then.  Thousands and thousands of shots will do that.

 


   
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Do you guys not watch the nba? Development is almost halted at 22? Players don’t reach their basketball primes til 26-28. Of course someone can progress significantly from 21-22 or even 22-23. 

disagree - your shooting is not going to improve much after age 22 and neither are your jumping/passing skills but there is a long stretch where your experience and great coaching and physical training (as in the NBA) enhances your game and it depends on the player - Larry Bird was a great player and great shooter his last year in college - don't think he got any more skilled after that, just smarter and more experienced

Some guys that go to the NBA at 19 definitely improve. Some guys who were suppressed due to their college coach's system really blossom in the NBA one-on-one game (Michael Jordan and many others).

And shooting 15 times a game vs 4 times a game (XJ) is sure as H going to up your average.

 

there are so many players that disprove this. In fact there’s an entire generation of 6’10”+ guys that were forced to learn how to shoot threes to extend their careers in the NBA. Aldridge, Bosh, Ibaka, Lopez, Love, Griffin .. and so many more. Not to mention Lebron went from a poor shooter to being well above average as he got old. Your basketball development doesn’t stop until you stop putting the work in. Credit to Xavier for putting in incredible amounts of work to transform his game. You can see it in the way he warms up. It looks different than everyone else. 

 


   
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Probably the hardest laugh I have gotten from this forum….no improvement over age 22.  X seems to have a quicker burst this year and his step back pull up jumper is better.  Has Trent improved any?

Don't think so - you're ignoring the facts - XJ's shooting almost exactly the same percentage he did last year when he led the team in 3 pt ave. (42%) He's definitely much more aggressive - I'm sure Mullins wants that and needs that. He's shooting 14+ times a game vs 4+ times a game. 

Trent plays D exactly like he has the last couple of years - tough and solid but not super quick - he's had some good shooting games but not the last two. He's more of a take charge guard this year - last year it was Jones and Domask. More of a change in roles and coaching and expectations and maturity than better skills.

 

X is shooting the same percentage being the dude this year as compared to being number three last year.  Defenses know he’s the guy and he’s still shooting that high percentage.  The percentage might be the same but the style of shot is not the same as last.  

As for NBA players…..you think most are as good of shooters in college as they are in the NBA?  It’s not just experience or strength…..Steph curry could shoot in college but I’d say he’s better now than he was then.  Thousands and thousands of shots will do that.

 

I'm glad others have noticed this too. Last year X had almost no lift on his shot. No way you can be 'the man' with those mechanics and expect to be able to consistently get your shot off. I'm sure he knew that and make no mistake, it took tremendous effort by him at this stage of his college career to upgrade that aspect as effectively as he has. Its gonna get him paid.

 

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Probably the hardest laugh I have gotten from this forum….no improvement over age 22.  X seems to have a quicker burst this year and his step back pull up jumper is better.  Has Trent improved any?

Don't think so - you're ignoring the facts - XJ's shooting almost exactly the same percentage he did last year when he led the team in 3 pt ave. (42%) He's definitely much more aggressive - I'm sure Mullins wants that and needs that. He's shooting 14+ times a game vs 4+ times a game. 

Trent plays D exactly like he has the last couple of years - tough and solid but not super quick - he's had some good shooting games but not the last two. He's more of a take charge guard this year - last year it was Jones and Domask. More of a change in roles and coaching and expectations and maturity than better skills.

 

X is shooting the same percentage being the dude this year as compared to being number three last year.  Defenses know he’s the guy and he’s still shooting that high percentage.  The percentage might be the same but the style of shot is not the same as last.  

As for NBA players…..you think most are as good of shooters in college as they are in the NBA?  It’s not just experience or strength…..Steph curry could shoot in college but I’d say he’s better now than he was then.  Thousands and thousands of shots will do that.

 

I'm glad others have noticed this too. Last year X had almost no lift on his shot. No way you can be 'the man' with those mechanics and expect to be able to consistently get your shot off. I'm sure he knew that and make no mistake, it took tremendous effort by him at this stage of his college career to upgrade that aspect as effectively as he has. Its gonna get him paid.

 

You're joking. Last year I noted his almost old-fashioned looking two-handed set shot with the rainbow arc. Absolutely the same as this year. His percentage is the same but the # of shots is much higher. I don't see a bit of difference in his technique.

His FT shooting percentage is definitely better though. 

As far as NBA players, they go from a more team oriented college game where they sometimes face zones to a wide open, one-on-one game where lots of fouls and travelling is allowed and defenses are often looser. Of course they keep practicing, but I'm pretty sure most of them shoot about the same as they did in college. They probably score more in a wide open, longer game. 

Ray Allen, Kyle Korver, Larry Bird, Doug McDermott, Doug Collins, Mike Glenn, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, and a zillion others had those great shooting skills in college - a large part of the reason why they got drafted. Players can improve with coaching, experience, etc. but those basic skills don't change much after college for most.

 


   
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Posted by: @johnny-utah

Probably the hardest laugh I have gotten from this forum….no improvement over age 22.  X seems to have a quicker burst this year and his step back pull up jumper is better.  Has Trent improved any?

Don't think so - you're ignoring the facts - XJ's shooting almost exactly the same percentage he did last year when he led the team in 3 pt ave. (42%) He's definitely much more aggressive - I'm sure Mullins wants that and needs that. He's shooting 14+ times a game vs 4+ times a game. 

Trent plays D exactly like he has the last couple of years - tough and solid but not super quick - he's had some good shooting games but not the last two. He's more of a take charge guard this year - last year it was Jones and Domask. More of a change in roles and coaching and expectations and maturity than better skills.

 

X is shooting the same percentage being the dude this year as compared to being number three last year.  Defenses know he’s the guy and he’s still shooting that high percentage.  The percentage might be the same but the style of shot is not the same as last.  

As for NBA players…..you think most are as good of shooters in college as they are in the NBA?  It’s not just experience or strength…..Steph curry could shoot in college but I’d say he’s better now than he was then.  Thousands and thousands of shots will do that.

 

I'm glad others have noticed this too. Last year X had almost no lift on his shot. No way you can be 'the man' with those mechanics and expect to be able to consistently get your shot off. I'm sure he knew that and make no mistake, it took tremendous effort by him at this stage of his college career to upgrade that aspect as effectively as he has. Its gonna get him paid.

 

You're joking. Last year I noted his almost old-fashioned looking two-handed set shot with the rainbow arc. Absolutely the same as this year. His percentage is the same but the # of shots is much higher. I don't see a bit of difference in his technique.

His FT shooting percentage is definitely better though. 

As far as NBA players, they go from a more team oriented college game where they sometimes face zones to a wide open, one-on-one game where lots of fouls and travelling is allowed and defenses are often looser. Of course they keep practicing, but I'm pretty sure most of them shoot about the same as they did in college. They probably score more in a wide open, longer game. 

Ray Allen, Kyle Korver, Larry Bird, Doug McDermott, Doug Collins, Mike Glenn, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, and a zillion others had those great shooting skills in college - a large part of the reason why they got drafted. Players can improve with coaching, experience, etc. but those basic skills don't change much after college for most.

 

Not arc, he’s always had plenty of that. By lift, I meant he barely got off the ground. He was almost flat-footed. And his release was noticeably slower last year. Not the case anymore. 

If he hadn’t adjusted, there’s no way at 6’1” he'd be consistently getting his shot off so effectively being the focal point of every defense.

 

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Probably the hardest laugh I have gotten from this forum….no improvement over age 22.  X seems to have a quicker burst this year and his step back pull up jumper is better.  Has Trent improved any?

Don't think so - you're ignoring the facts - XJ's shooting almost exactly the same percentage he did last year when he led the team in 3 pt ave. (42%) He's definitely much more aggressive - I'm sure Mullins wants that and needs that. He's shooting 14+ times a game vs 4+ times a game. 

Trent plays D exactly like he has the last couple of years - tough and solid but not super quick - he's had some good shooting games but not the last two. He's more of a take charge guard this year - last year it was Jones and Domask. More of a change in roles and coaching and expectations and maturity than better skills.

 

X is shooting the same percentage being the dude this year as compared to being number three last year.  Defenses know he’s the guy and he’s still shooting that high percentage.  The percentage might be the same but the style of shot is not the same as last.  

As for NBA players…..you think most are as good of shooters in college as they are in the NBA?  It’s not just experience or strength…..Steph curry could shoot in college but I’d say he’s better now than he was then.  Thousands and thousands of shots will do that.

 

I'm glad others have noticed this too. Last year X had almost no lift on his shot. No way you can be 'the man' with those mechanics and expect to be able to consistently get your shot off. I'm sure he knew that and make no mistake, it took tremendous effort by him at this stage of his college career to upgrade that aspect as effectively as he has. Its gonna get him paid.

 

Absolutely. His shot looked ugly and awkward last year. He must have put in countless hours, it is like changing your golf swing after a quarter century of doing it the wrong way. I’m in the midst of that process and it ain’t easy!!!!

 

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which is why he shot 42.7% from three last year!  😉 


   
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