@dawgbytes I have seen Coach Nagy talk to his players during the game much more than Coach Mullins did. He often stops players when they come out to talk to them about something that happened on the court. The same can be seen during dead balls especially free throws. I know he has said he gives his assistants responsibility for different parts of the game planning and game preparation. I think what your wife saw with Coach Mamon was him trying to communicate defensive responsibilities with players subbing in and out.
Your analogy with the jigsaw puzzles is spot on. With Eliot out, it now is like someone just came and took away puzzle pieces that had been solved and threw down new pieces in their place. The months of work and planning went out the window when he got hurt. It is not quite like starting completely over like it was in June, maybe more like it was in August or September.
I have a three year old grandson who is very adroit at solving jigsaw puzzles. Late in the Bradley game I was wondering how well he would do if he had to solve a puzzle with pieces from 3 or 4 unrelated jigsaws. That was my impression of the team. Additionally my wife made the comment that had she not known better she would have thought Jevon Mamon was the head coach. Nagy's courtside manner is rather unconventional. Looks like an interesting season in the making.
Yes, Nagy at times can look a bit detached/almost like an observer compared to most DI head coaches. Not necessarily a problem, but definitely unconventional ... he's not afraid to do things his own way. It's one of those things that nobody cares about when you're winning but might rub some people the wrong way if the results aren't good.
FWIW, Mullins was at the other end of the spectrum ... always pointing, shouting instructions, etc. I thought he may have micromanaged players a bit too much but nobody could accuse him of not being locked in.
FWIW, Mullins was at the other end of the spectrum ... always pointing, shouting instructions, etc. I thought he may have micromanaged players a bit too much but nobody could accuse him of not being locked in.
Pretty common with new, young coaches IMO.
The "had to fill out a roster" excuse does ring a bit hollow.
Drake returned only 2 players, one who was largely garbage time player and then a backup redshirt senior who had one start in his career.
They have 11 new players and a coach that was hired AFTER Nagy(albeit only 3 days later).
But they hired a young(ish) dynamic coach who had a massive amount of success at the D2 level.
NO COMPARISON at all. All his best players played for him at NW Mo St. last year. Two are grad students and one is a junior - they've played for him for years. Last year they were 29 - 5 and won two games in the D2 NCAA before losing on a buzzer beater to #2 Minnesota State who went on to win the D2 National Championship.
Drake probably won't be as good next year, since he'll be losing some very experienced and skilled players.
I have a three year old grandson who is very adroit at solving jigsaw puzzles. Late in the Bradley game I was wondering how well he would do if he had to solve a puzzle with pieces from 3 or 4 unrelated jigsaws. That was my impression of the team. Additionally my wife made the comment that had she not known better she would have thought Jevon Mamon was the head coach. Nagy's courtside manner is rather unconventional. Looks like an interesting season in the making.
Yes, Nagy at times can look a bit detached/almost like an observer compared to most DI head coaches. Not necessarily a problem, but definitely unconventional ... he's not afraid to do things his own way. It's one of those things that nobody cares about when you're winning but might rub some people the wrong way if the results aren't good.
FWIW, Mullins was at the other end of the spectrum ... always pointing, shouting instructions, etc. I thought he may have micromanaged players a bit too much but nobody could accuse him of not being locked in.
I like Nagy's method - maybe more objective about what he's seeing on the court.
The "had to fill out a roster" excuse does ring a bit hollow.
Drake returned only 2 players, one who was largely garbage time player and then a backup redshirt senior who had one start in his career.
They have 11 new players and a coach that was hired AFTER Nagy(albeit only 3 days later).
But they hired a young(ish) dynamic coach who had a massive amount of success at the D2 level.
Drake probably won't be as good next year, since he'll be losing some very experienced and skilled players.
I think there's a non-zero chance he's not even at Drake next year if this continues. But if he is back, I think they'll reload and continue to be competitive. McCollum is a great coach.
I worry with the results this season, Nagy will rub too many people the wrong way with his unconventional method that he never gets a fair chance here. He’s not a sales person and doesn’t appear to have the ability to just say fluff to tell people what they want to hear. He could not be anymore different than Barry Hinson in that regard. He’s a little too honest and too much of a straight shooter for his own good. He will always dwell on the negative and tell the truth instead of the old Hucky “thanks to our fans, thanks to our listeners” gimmick Hinson loved. If we were winning no one would comment on Nagy being stubborn and anal but it stands out worse with the results
I worry with the results this season, Nagy will rub too many people the wrong way with his unconventional method that he never gets a fair chance here. He’s not a sales person and doesn’t appear to have the ability to just say fluff to tell people what they want to hear. He could not be anymore different than Barry Hinson in that regard. He’s a little too honest and too much of a straight shooter for his own good. He will always dwell on the negative and tell the truth instead of the old Hucky “thanks to our fans, thanks to our listeners” gimmick Hinson loved. If we were winning no one would comment on Nagy being stubborn and anal but it stands out worse with the results
I know a lot of people are frustrated with the results so far (myself included), but I think he’ll get some leash. For me it’s been less about the results on the floor and more about the inconsistency in effort and energy from game to game. He was hyping up the defense all offseason and we can’t guard anyone and said our offense would struggle (that’s been true to form). Those two things make for a bad basketball team.
Even with those things being true, one thing I think this fan base knows and appreciates above all else is energy and effort, especially defensively. I haven’t seen that so far. Let’s hope that message gets through.
I worry with the results this season, Nagy will rub too many people the wrong way with his unconventional method that he never gets a fair chance here.
I spoke yesterday to an SIU friend who graduated a year or so after I did, and he expressed concern that Nagy is "another Gottfried" -- two words that should send shivers down the spine of any Saluki basketball fan. But I felt it necessary to point out some differences that make it an apples-oranges comparison. After doing well at South Dakota State and Wright State, Nagy took over a slightly better-than-average program and, because of the realities of the transfer portal, had to press the reset button. Gottfried, on the other hand, was a former Division III coach with no Division I experience who inherited a very good program -- a team that returned every starter after almost winning the Valley the previous year -- and urinated everything away in three years. So it's an unfair comparison, and after nine games, it's far too early to say Nagy is another Gottfried, Van Winkle, end-of-SIU-career Lowery, Hinson, etc.
Also, let's be mindful of the fact that no matter how this season plays out, Nagy still will have five years, at $600K per year, remaining on his contract. So he probably ain't going anywhere unless he decides SIU is not for him. A $3 million buyout price tag, along with what it will take to hire a new coach, probably is a bit rich for SIU boosters unless Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos suddenly take an interest in Saluki basketball. So Nagy probably will have a fairly long leash with the administration, if not with the fans. The guess here is that if he's still struggling in Year 3 (which I sincerely hope is not the case), the conversation will change as the cost of a buyout becomes less pricey.
I worry with the results this season, Nagy will rub too many people the wrong way with his unconventional method that he never gets a fair chance here.
I spoke yesterday to an SIU friend who graduated a year or so after I did, and he expressed concern that Nagy is "another Gottfried" -- two words that should send shivers down the spine of any Saluki basketball fan. But I felt it necessary to point out some differences that make it an apples-oranges comparison. After doing well at South Dakota State and Wright State, Nagy took over a slightly better-than-average program and, because of the realities of the transfer portal, had to press the reset button. Gottfried, on the other hand, was a former Division III coach with no Division I experience who inherited a very good program -- a team that returned every starter after almost winning the Valley the previous year -- and urinated everything away in three years. So it's an unfair comparison, and after nine games, it's far too early to say Nagy is another Gottfried, Van Winkle, end-of-SIU-career Lowery, Hinson, etc.
Also, let's be mindful of the fact that no matter how this season plays out, Nagy still will have five years, at $600K per year, remaining on his contract. So he probably ain't going anywhere unless he decides SIU is not for him. A $3 million buyout price tag, along with what it will take to hire a new coach, probably is a bit rich for SIU boosters unless Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos suddenly take an interest in Saluki basketball. So Nagy probably will have a fairly long leash with the administration, if not with the fans. The guess here is that if he's still struggling in Year 3 (which I sincerely hope is not the case), the conversation will change as the cost of a buyout becomes less pricey.
He will be here a minimum 5 years because we can’t afford anything less with his contract. It’s too early to talk about this stuff in my opinion because even though I’m quite pissed about everything, you won’t have a coach in the hot seat in his first season. He needs to figure it out though because SIU can’t make a change for a very long time.
