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carrcar
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I don't know what the MVC or SIU guidelines are for declaring a player has Covid, but I know the CDC and AMA has changed guidelines from a positive Covid test to 2 independent positive tests and definite physical symptoms. It's rare a healthy college age boy gets sick. And now the HCQ, anti-viral and zinc regimen has been approved(finally) for ER cases, it will further reduce serious cases. Is it time to re-open basketball? (And other sports).

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Is this about college?  Because basketball has been open for better or worse since November.  Sounds like most of SIU's basketball team has had COVID so that shouldn't be a problem going forward. 

And it's not about young people getting COVID and not dying.  There are theories that there might be long-term side effects to COVID.  Florida had a player nearly die a few weeks ago after having COVID last year.  And even if they don't die or have long-term effects, community spread is the main problem.


   
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I have two customers that have had covid and are getting the vaccine because they have been told they do not have an immunity to it.  Don't know how that works.  But the fact that our basketball team has seen basically everybody get covid so we don't have to worry in the future is not accurate.  If this is true.  Who the heck knows anymore?

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I have two customers that have had covid and are getting the vaccine because they have been told they do not have an immunity to it.  Don't know how that works.  But the fact that our basketball team has seen basically everybody get covid so we don't have to worry in the future is not accurate.  If this is true.  Who the heck knows anymore?

I mean in terms of this season.  The NCAA isn't even testing athletes that have tested positive already for a certain amount of time.  I don't mean in terms of long-term health effects and testing positive again past this season.


   
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Most experts do not expect enough folks to have been vaccinated to cause herd immunity until at least fall. Basically, there are more people currently dying on a daily basis than any time previously during the pandemic, approx $4k a day. Even if "young folks" are asymptomatic, that doesn't mean they do not have the disease and can't spread it to the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions, who are extremely vulnerable. IMO it's best to wait until next year to be safe. I have heard the mvc tourney is planning on allowing limited spectators, but of course that could change.  


   
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Posted by: @beadmedaddio

I have two customers that have had covid and are getting the vaccine because they have been told they do not have an immunity to it.  Don't know how that works.  But the fact that our basketball team has seen basically everybody get covid so we don't have to worry in the future is not accurate.  If this is true.  Who the heck knows anymore?

There is a lot of different opinions on this.  Some believe that you can't catch it again and some believe that you can.  The fact that the NCAA isn't testing players after having it says a lot to me.  My employer is doing a similar thing.  No quarantines after catching COVID.

 

Personally, I had COVID over Thanksgiving. I'll go by common sense that my body had to develop antibodies to fight the disease off in the first place.  If that weren't true, I'd still have COVID (or be dead).  There absolutely has to be some level of immunity developed or people would just be sick forever.


   
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Posted by: @kyle_saluki_17
Posted by: @beadmedaddio

I have two customers that have had covid and are getting the vaccine because they have been told they do not have an immunity to it.  Don't know how that works.  But the fact that our basketball team has seen basically everybody get covid so we don't have to worry in the future is not accurate.  If this is true.  Who the heck knows anymore?

There is a lot of different opinions on this.  Some believe that you can't catch it again and some believe that you can.  The fact that the NCAA isn't testing players after having it says a lot to me.  My employer is doing a similar thing.  No quarantines after catching COVID.

 

Personally, I had COVID over Thanksgiving. I'll go by common sense that my body had to develop antibodies to fight the disease off in the first place.  If that weren't true, I'd still have COVID (or be dead).  There absolutely has to be some level of immunity developed or people would just be sick forever.

You should get vaccinated either way.  There have been people that have tested positive more than once and nobody knows what the future holds with mutations and such.  It's why you get a flu shot every year.  


   
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It went through our household last month. We all got through it even being old and some with underlying conditions. I wasn't that bad, 102 fever for one day and low grade fever, headache and cough for 3 or 4 days. I will get the shot but I'm not in a big rush, maybe in a couple of months. I really believe that I should be immune at least for now. What no one says, at least I haven't seen it if they do, is herd immunity should include the ones who gotten shots and people who have recovered from covid.


   
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Posted by: @carrcar

I don't know what the MVC or SIU guidelines are for declaring a player has Covid, but I know the CDC and AMA has changed guidelines from a positive Covid test to 2 independent positive tests and definite physical symptoms. It's rare a healthy college age boy gets sick. And now the HCQ, anti-viral and zinc regimen has been approved(finally) for ER cases, it will further reduce serious cases. Is it time to re-open basketball? (And other sports).

What they aren't telling you is PCR tests recycle the samples to "build" proteins.  If your positive is less than 25 AND you are symptomatic, then you have covid.  Most of the positives are tests recycled up to 75 times and no symptoms.  These PCR tests were never intended for use as diagnostic tools.  Never take a covid test unless you find out what sort of test it will be and have a chance to research it yourself lest you get tagged with a false positive..  

 

There is ivernectin (sp?) available but medical community is recommending ineffective remdesivir (3000 dollars per course of treatment) over HCQ and ivermectin (essentially free) which is proven generally effective.

“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”
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Posted by: @morris-saluki
Posted by: @carrcar

I don't know what the MVC or SIU guidelines are for declaring a player has Covid, but I know the CDC and AMA has changed guidelines from a positive Covid test to 2 independent positive tests and definite physical symptoms. It's rare a healthy college age boy gets sick. And now the HCQ, anti-viral and zinc regimen has been approved(finally) for ER cases, it will further reduce serious cases. Is it time to re-open basketball? (And other sports).

What they aren't telling you is PCR tests recycle the samples to "build" proteins.  If your positive is less than 25 AND you are symptomatic, then you have covid.  Most of the positives are tests recycled up to 75 times and no symptoms.  These PCR tests were never intended for use as diagnostic tools.  Never take a covid test unless you find out what sort of test it will be and have a chance to research it yourself lest you get tagged with a false positive..  

 

There is ivernectin (sp?) available but medical community is recommending ineffective remdesivir (3000 dollars per course of treatment) over HCQ and ivermectin (essentially free) which is proven generally effective.

1. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/which-test-is-best-for-covid-19-2020081020734

2. https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/product-safety-information/faq-covid-19-and-ivermectin-intended-animals

My God I fear for the future of my country.

Some who post here know less about medicine than they know about SIU athletics.

And that's saying something.

 

(1) US COVID-19 statistics (February 29, 2020-June 16, 2020): 2,124,000 reported cases and 115,052 deaths
(2) Donald Trump (June 15, 2020) told a group of senior citizens that there would be very few cases of COVID-19 if the US stopped its testing and contact tracing: "If we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cases, actually."
(3) Donald Trump [(Jan 20, 2020), when asked if he's worried about a pandemic]: “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s — going to be just fine.”


   
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Mr_Woogers
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Posted by: @1987saluki
Posted by: @morris-saluki
Posted by: @carrcar

I don't know what the MVC or SIU guidelines are for declaring a player has Covid, but I know the CDC and AMA has changed guidelines from a positive Covid test to 2 independent positive tests and definite physical symptoms. It's rare a healthy college age boy gets sick. And now the HCQ, anti-viral and zinc regimen has been approved(finally) for ER cases, it will further reduce serious cases. Is it time to re-open basketball? (And other sports).

What they aren't telling you is PCR tests recycle the samples to "build" proteins.  If your positive is less than 25 AND you are symptomatic, then you have covid.  Most of the positives are tests recycled up to 75 times and no symptoms.  These PCR tests were never intended for use as diagnostic tools.  Never take a covid test unless you find out what sort of test it will be and have a chance to research it yourself lest you get tagged with a false positive..  

 

There is ivernectin (sp?) available but medical community is recommending ineffective remdesivir (3000 dollars per course of treatment) over HCQ and ivermectin (essentially free) which is proven generally effective.

1. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/which-test-is-best-for-covid-19-2020081020734

2. https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/product-safety-information/faq-covid-19-and-ivermectin-intended-animals

My God I fear for the future of my country.

Some who post here know less about medicine than they know about SIU athletics.

And that's saying something.

 

Hey everything you read on the internet is true, doncha know!

I had to fight my hound dog for the last Heartgard pill. I no longer have worms!! Whoopee! Think I'll avoid the Panacur though! Just might kill me!

I got the vaccine a couple days ago at SIU Arena. As it was held at the basketball arena, you had to make a 3 point shot before they would give you the vax - some of the seniors really struggled making a 3 pointer so they let them qualify by making 3 free throws in a row
or 1 trick shot from behind the backboard! There was one older fella who had been trying for hours, so they let him flip a coin. Fortunately, he won the coin toss.


   
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Mr_Woogers
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Posted by: @morris-saluki
Posted by: @carrcar

I don't know what the MVC or SIU guidelines are for declaring a player has Covid, but I know the CDC and AMA has changed guidelines from a positive Covid test to 2 independent positive tests and definite physical symptoms. It's rare a healthy college age boy gets sick. And now the HCQ, anti-viral and zinc regimen has been approved(finally) for ER cases, it will further reduce serious cases. Is it time to re-open basketball? (And other sports).

What they aren't telling you is PCR tests recycle the samples to "build" proteins.  If your positive is less than 25 AND you are symptomatic, then you have covid.  Most of the positives are tests recycled up to 75 times and no symptoms.  These PCR tests were never intended for use as diagnostic tools.  Never take a covid test unless you find out what sort of test it will be and have a chance to research it yourself lest you get tagged with a false positive..  

 

There is ivernectin (sp?) available but medical community is recommending ineffective remdesivir (3000 dollars per course of treatment) over HCQ and ivermectin (essentially free) which is proven generally effective.

Who told you this? QAnon?? I'm sure that's great advice ... for crazy people.

https://www.memorialhealthcare.org/whats-the-difference-between-covid-19-rapid-and-prc-tests/

  1. PCR test. PCR testing is considered the “gold standard” in SARS-CoV-2 detection. This test actually detects RNA (or genetic material) that is specific to the virus and can detect the virus within days of infection, even those who have no symptoms. The test can be done in a clinic, hospital, or even in your car. Turnaround time is longer, generally in the 2-3 day range but results can be in as little as 24 hours. When demand is high, results can take a week or longer.

Current recommendation is to have a confirmation test performed (the PCR test) if you still have symptoms and have had a negative rapid test. 


   
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Posted by: @1987saluki
Posted by: @morris-saluki
Posted by: @carrcar

I don't know what the MVC or SIU guidelines are for declaring a player has Covid, but I know the CDC and AMA has changed guidelines from a positive Covid test to 2 independent positive tests and definite physical symptoms. It's rare a healthy college age boy gets sick. And now the HCQ, anti-viral and zinc regimen has been approved(finally) for ER cases, it will further reduce serious cases. Is it time to re-open basketball? (And other sports).

What they aren't telling you is PCR tests recycle the samples to "build" proteins.  If your positive is less than 25 AND you are symptomatic, then you have covid.  Most of the positives are tests recycled up to 75 times and no symptoms.  These PCR tests were never intended for use as diagnostic tools.  Never take a covid test unless you find out what sort of test it will be and have a chance to research it yourself lest you get tagged with a false positive..  

 

There is ivernectin (sp?) available but medical community is recommending ineffective remdesivir (3000 dollars per course of treatment) over HCQ and ivermectin (essentially free) which is proven generally effective.

1. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/which-test-is-best-for-covid-19-2020081020734

2. https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/product-safety-information/faq-covid-19-and-ivermectin-intended-animals

My God I fear for the future of my country.

Some who post here know less about medicine than they know about SIU athletics.

And that's saying something.

 

I'll call your havard and raise you a lancet

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext

 

“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”
― Ayn Rand


   
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