Mullins at least gave some hope that we may be in it the final weekend for the championship/top 4. If that is me accepting mediocrity, then so be it.
Maybe that's how you felt. For me, I never went into Arch Madness with the expectation to win in any of the 5 years with Mullins. The one year they got to Saturday they barely scraped by a bad Missouri State team in one of the worst games I've ever seen where they nearly threw it away.
Completely agree. Mullins had more talented rosters than this one, but after a couple of years, I never expected much. And for those making excuses about his recruiting, you're rationalizing. He was not a great recruiter and I don't think that was the admin's fault.
Hopefully Nagy and company will do better. Maybe he should hire Dana Ford - seemed to be a good recruiter. (I guess he's an assistant at SMU this year)
It's time to move on from using Elliott as a crutch. Teams in every sport lose valuable players all of the time. I agreed that was a huge loss, but good organizations figure out ways to bounce back. Even with Elliott we would still lack talent and a true big man.
Really? If Domask was lot for a whole season, SIU would have lost most of their games. It is especially true in a sport with just 5 players that losing your star player is a disaster you don't recover from unless you have a seriously talented roster, which we don't. It's not an excuse - it's a fact. With a healthy EE, we have a better record, although we may still have lost to an Evansville team that played great the last two games. (57 - 40 over Mo State.)
I too dislike what I'm seeing on the court right now, but there is really no instant cure. There's no 80 man roster to choose from like football. Recruiting IS the answer.
And for those fans of the bad D2 team Gottfried put on the floor, I too saw every game and this team is considerably better, although pretty darn bad.
Hopefully we'll have some games in which we shoot well and win a few.
Trust me on this one, folks. I was there when Florida beat us by 25 in November. Gottfried's last team would have lost that game by 50. I mean, that team lost a home game against a West Texas State team with a losing record by 40 points (a game that I still believe belongs on the Mount Trashmore of humiliating SIU men's basketball losses after all these years).
Gottfried signed a guard named Lawrence Stubblefield shortly after being hired away from Division III Ashland College and I remember that when a Daily Egyptian reporter asked about the signing, Gottfried responded that he was familiar with Stubblefield because he had been recruiting him for Ashland before he accepted the SIU job. That's when I figured the program might be headed up defecation creek eventually. Stubblefield simply could not play, and neither could Gottfried's final team.
I personally think Elliot would have come back down to earth hard. He was good but not a world beater as a 22 year old true senior in the Southland Conference(one of 5 guys who scored 10+ PPG for UTRGV). He was shooting 200 points higher for FG and 100 points higher from 3 than his norm. And he was 150 higher on his FT.
He was likely going to slide back down to being a 8 to 10 ppg guy once some film came out about him. Which granted this team needs but he wasn't this monster player some are making him out to be.
Mullins at least gave some hope that we may be in it the final weekend for the championship/top 4. If that is me accepting mediocrity, then so be it.
Maybe that's how you felt. For me, I never went into Arch Madness with the expectation to win in any of the 5 years with Mullins. The one year they got to Saturday they barely scraped by a bad Missouri State team in one of the worst games I've ever seen where they nearly threw it away.
I never went in to arch madness under Mullins with the expectation to win either. neither did other valley teams who didn't have devries. that drake team won well over 100 games in 4 years. at the rate we are going, I am not sure the bobber will be around long enough to see another 100 saluki wins.
my point remains the same: what we are seeing right now, regardless of the excuses, is simply unacceptable.
Mullins at least gave some hope that we may be in it the final weekend for the championship/top 4. If that is me accepting mediocrity, then so be it.
Maybe that's how you felt. For me, I never went into Arch Madness with the expectation to win in any of the 5 years with Mullins. The one year they got to Saturday they barely scraped by a bad Missouri State team in one of the worst games I've ever seen where they nearly threw it away.
I never went in to arch madness under Mullins with the expectation to win either. neither did other valley teams who didn't have devries. that drake team won well over 100 games in 4 years. at the rate we are going, I am not sure the bobber will be around long enough to see another 100 saluki wins.
my point remains the same: what we are seeing right now, regardless of the excuses, is simply unacceptable.
I agree, the one thing you could say about Mullins was his teams played hard every night and I’m not seeing that right now.
I have 0 bone to pick with Mullins overall, he’s a Saluki legend and I hope he gets another head coaching job down the line. I just don’t care for the revisionist history with him when he didn’t accomplish anything more than Barry Hinson did. And Year 6 wasn’t going to be much better with 0 high school recruits and losing Xavier Johnson.
@mr_woogers “families are always rising and falling in America” NH. Applies to SIU Basketball which is the Kodak of D1 Hoops. Look at their BK and it parallels SIU hoops becoming insignificant. The real blame should be on the President and AD who declined to go Big East or A10 when momentum was there. Since then working around the margins and hoping to get “magic in a bottle”. The days of rescuing NBA talent from ATL ended long ago and they stay home now. Mullins had a method, though needed more coaching help and experience especially on offense, but his was the way to have a chance. Trying to “out athlete” days are over. That is not todays game and even if it was they look the part they are not and not coming to Carbondale.
@the-bobber They have no idea what you are talking about. It cracks me up! Go dawgs!
@the-bobber They have no idea what you are talking about. It cracks me up! Go dawgs!
nobody ever does! it's called bobberworld!
@mr_woogers “families are always rising and falling in America” NH. Applies to SIU Basketball which is the Kodak of D1 Hoops. Look at their BK and it parallels SIU hoops becoming insignificant. The real blame should be on the President and AD who declined to go Big East or A10 when momentum was there. Since then working around the margins and hoping to get “magic in a bottle”. The days of rescuing NBA talent from ATL ended long ago and they stay home now. Mullins had a method, though needed more coaching help and experience especially on offense, but his was the way to have a chance. Trying to “out athlete” days are over. That is not todays game and even if it was they look the part they are not and not coming to Carbondale.
SIU wasn’t going to the Big East and at the time when SIU would have had a chance to move up, A10 was a peer conference, although I would argue the Valley was better. A10 was able to hang on to most of their top teams for longer, where the MVC was not.
I agree you don’t have to out athlete people. I think folks on here have certainly put a premium on that as of late as Mullins didn’t recruit a ton of super athletic long guys (of course anyone playing D1 sports is pretty athletic). I would put more of a premium on shooting, basketball IQ, and quickness than freaky athletic…being athletic certainly isn’t helping us right now.
You definitely don't have to out-athlete people. Look at the current Drake team. Look at UNI over the years. It's a team game, but you do need a leader on the floor and a killer attitude and players who can shoot worth a poop!
That Loyola Final Four team wasn't what I would call athletic.
Mullins at least gave some hope that we may be in it the final weekend for the championship/top 4. If that is me accepting mediocrity, then so be it.
Maybe that's how you felt. For me, I never went into Arch Madness with the expectation to win in any of the 5 years with Mullins. The one year they got to Saturday they barely scraped by a bad Missouri State team in one of the worst games I've ever seen where they nearly threw it away.
I never went in to arch madness under Mullins with the expectation to win either. neither did other valley teams who didn't have devries. that drake team won well over 100 games in 4 years. at the rate we are going, I am not sure the bobber will be around long enough to see another 100 saluki wins.
my point remains the same: what we are seeing right now, regardless of the excuses, is simply unacceptable.
I agree, the one thing you could say about Mullins was his teams played hard every night and I’m not seeing that right now.
I have 0 bone to pick with Mullins overall, he’s a Saluki legend and I hope he gets another head coaching job down the line. I just don’t care for the revisionist history with him when he didn’t accomplish anything more than Barry Hinson did. And Year 6 wasn’t going to be much better with 0 high school recruits and losing Xavier Johnson.
Yes BM's teams played hard usually (not against USI during the blowout ), but he was not a good recruiter ... Hinson was a better recruiter IMO. BM was a good D coach.
So, what do we think about next year? I'm assuming Kennard will stay and lock down the 3-spot again. And Elliott should be back at PG. Those are your Team Leaders. We have a high-scoring freshman combo guard (Luke Walsh) coming in, who should push Steffe for playing time at the 2G. And I'm actually looking forward to Aligbe and Webber battling it out at the 5.
After seeing Pauliukonis play live, I can tell you he's nowhere near ready to step in for Hensley. I'll be surprised if he doesn't redshirt. Is Davion Sykes our starter at the 4? Antwaun Massey? I'd still like to see us sign Kash Polk.
Dibba and Hensley have exhausted their eligibility. And it looks like Bey has already quit or won't be back. Sharp has performed admirably, but with his lack of offense I don't see much PT for him once Elliott returns. That leaves Mayo and Moreno, neither of whom has shown much in my opinion.
So, do we yank scholarships? Otherwise, we only have 1 or maybe 0 left. My feeling is that doesn't allow for much improvement. What do others think? What's our most glaring need? And how do we address our shortcomings? Is there hope?
So, what do we think about next year? I'm assuming Kennard will stay and lock down the 3-spot again. And Elliott should be back at PG. Those are your Team Leaders. We have a high-scoring freshman combo guard (Luke Walsh) coming in, who should push Steffe for playing time at the 2G. And I'm actually looking forward to Aligbe and Webber battling it out at the 5.
After seeing Pauliukonis play live, I can tell you he's nowhere near ready to step in for Hensley. I'll be surprised if he doesn't redshirt. Is Davion Sykes our starter at the 4? Antwaun Massey? I'd still like to see us sign Kash Polk.
Dibba and Hensley have exhausted their eligibility. And it looks like Bey has already quit or won't be back. Sharp has performed admirably, but with his lack of offense I don't see much PT for him once Elliott returns. That leaves Mayo and Moreno, neither of whom has shown much in my opinion.
So, do we yank scholarships? Otherwise, we only have 1 or maybe 0 left. My feeling is that doesn't allow for much improvement. What do others think? What's our most glaring need? And how do we address our shortcomings? Is there hope?
Obviously it’s way premature to know with any certainty, but I’d be surprised if there isn’t more roster turnover than you suggest here. Just how the sport is generally now, and when you factor in the very unpleasant couple months that seemingly await, I’d be surprised if more than a handful of guys (if that) return. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing.
Is there hope? Sure, but only if the NIL money doesn’t dry up. Very hard to win relying on too many underclassmen.
push Steffe off the 2G? blasphemy!!!!!
So, what do we think about next year? I'm assuming Kennard will stay and lock down the 3-spot again. And Elliott should be back at PG. Those are your Team Leaders. We have a high-scoring freshman combo guard (Luke Walsh) coming in, who should push Steffe for playing time at the 2G. And I'm actually looking forward to Aligbe and Webber battling it out at the 5.
After seeing Pauliukonis play live, I can tell you he's nowhere near ready to step in for Hensley. I'll be surprised if he doesn't redshirt. Is Davion Sykes our starter at the 4? Antwaun Massey? I'd still like to see us sign Kash Polk.
Dibba and Hensley have exhausted their eligibility. And it looks like Bey has already quit or won't be back. Sharp has performed admirably, but with his lack of offense I don't see much PT for him once Elliott returns. That leaves Mayo and Moreno, neither of whom has shown much in my opinion.
So, do we yank scholarships? Otherwise, we only have 1 or maybe 0 left. My feeling is that doesn't allow for much improvement. What do others think? What's our most glaring need? And how do we address our shortcomings? Is there hope?
