Chris Lowery 145-116 .556
Barry Hinson 321-251 .561
Bryan Mullins 40-43 .482
that's a useless and unfair comparison.
lowery inherited a loaded team.
let's look at 1st 3 years at SIU.
Barry Hinson 40-57 .412
Bryan Mullins 40-43 .482
Bruce Weber 51-39 .567
Rich Herrun 32-53 .376
Joe Gottfried 31-50 .382
Allen Van Winkle 35-48 .421
Paul Lambert 34-41 .453
2nd best first 3 years at SIU in the last 50+ years since we went D1. chill and be patient.
just for comparison there's that guy at Duke.
Coach K 38-47 .447
I would like for the optimistic fans to weigh in on how they think we will be improved enough next year to turn the corner and compete for a Valley championship. Next year will be Mullins 4th year and by all accounts should be his best team but even then it will still be at best a middle of the pack Valley team, especially with the additions of Murray and Belmont. I need more of a reason to be optimistic than because of Covid the other 5 teams currently ahead of us are going to lose key experienced players, and that is going to suddenly make us a championship level team. We currently aren't a MVC championship level team we barley played .500 ball in the non-conference part of our schedule which was one of the weakest non-conference schedule's in school history. I really like Mullins he is a class act and I want nothing more than Mullins to be successfully but I have major concerns that we currently have the players to get to the top of the league in the foreseeab
le future.
you are asking for assurances that cannot be given during the season. we don't know who will stay and who will leave. you don't know who will replace who leaves. do you want this program built the right way for sustained success or just immediate gratification that will not last? Look at the list. Paul Lambert was a damn good coach who got poached by Auburn. 3 years in his record was worse. My god man, he has a better record than coach K. what else do you want. He has spent 2 1/2 years building relationships with young recruits that will lead this program forward. that does not happen overnight. this team has competed with every team in the league. we may not be over the hump today but these guys are learning and working their Saluki tails off to pave the way for the future.
now dig out your wallet and give to the dawg pound. this is another great way to build for future success.
Craving a McBride Special!
If you have statistical evidence that this is the worst schedule in school history then present it.
Otherwise save it for your drama club.
I remember suffering through rich's road games at EIU, Austin Peay, Chicago State. the games at Edwardsville college. Then there was UMSL, NE Missouri, SC State, Georgia Southern, Colgate, William Penn, Stevens Point,
One hand you complain that we haven't won enough and then complain our schedule is too easy.
Please save it.
Did anyone really think that after Huckamania that we would be able to turn around quickly?
People, try to at least be realistic.
Schedules since Berry (putting the total and the out of conference because an extremely good Valley is going to make a bad schedule look better):
2013 14-17 (6-12):
+3.67 total (103rd in the country), -4.38 out of conference schedule (281st in the country)
2014 14-19 (9-9):
+0.30 total (143rd in the country), -2.86 out of conference schedule (244th in the country)
2015 12-21 (4-14):
-0.87 total (157th in the country), -8.22 out of conference schedule (338th in the country)
2016 22-10 (11-7):
-2.93 total (214th in the country), -9.14 out of conference schedule (343rd in the country)
2017 17-16 (9-9):
+1.18 total (108th in the country, -2.95 out of conference schedule (238th in the country)
2018 20-13 (11-7):
+1.27 total (112th in the country, -4.09 out of conference schedule (289th in the country)
2019 17-15 (10-8):
-1.12 total (168th in the country, +0.46 out of conference schedule (142nd in the country)
Note: This was Berry's last year and he was forced to schedule up
-------------------------------------------------
2020 16-16 (10-8):
+0.28 total (142nd in the country, -3.73 out of conference schedule (293rd in the country)
2021 12-14 (5-13):
+4.76 total (128th in the country, -4.30 out of conference schedule (274th in the country)
2022 13-13 (6-8):
-0.24 total (158th in the country, -5.93 out of conference schedule (320th in the country)
-------------------------------------------------
In conclusion, this isn't the worst schedule we've played, that was Berry's best year by record, his 4th year (2016) for both out of conference and total.
Our best total schedule by rank in the country was Berry's first year because both Creighton and Wichita were still in the Valley.
Our best total schedule by KenPom was last year's schedule.
Our best out of conference schedule by far was Berry's last year (2019) when he was forced to schedule up and they got to face Buffalo twice, Kentucky, Murray with Ja Morant, Saint Louis, Tulsa.
So this year's schedule isn't the worst in school history but it's still awful, especially the out of conference schedule.
@bleacher-bum I never said it was the worst schedule in school history, I said it WAS ONE of the WEAKEST schedules in school history and at 320 out of 358 D1 schools I stand by that statement. I am not trying to be dramatic just pointing out facts. I fully understand why our schedule was weak we are trying to build a program from the ground up, and win games but we barely finished over 500 playing that schedule. For me that is a little concerning. I find it very funny that IF anyone questions the direction of our program with Mullins they are blasted as being anti SIU or something. I want this program to be successful, and I fully know that Mullins is trying to build it the right way. I need to see progress in the win column and I haven’t seen it yet. But maybe I should of waited to post my concerns about the program AFTER last night’s game. After watching that BIG win over Evansville I fully expect us to be competing for a Valley championship as soon as next year. As far as donations I am doing more than my fair share and I fully agree we need more donations that IS HOW WE Can help this program. Blast away and Go Dawgs
@mdogs1 My apologies. You did say ONE OF and I misread it.
Not directed at you but a wider audience, people tend to gloss over the fact that Bryan can't just pick up the phone and schedule anyone he wants.
Rich's schedules were horrid. I'll be happy to post them if anyone disagrees.
Huckster's were a little better.
We will see better schedules as we improve but scheduling difficulty we still be a major factor.
@bleacher-bum no worries I don’t disagree that scheduling is very tough for many reasons. It’s not as simple as scheduling games a team trying to build should schedule accordingly but we barely finished over 500 playing the worst non-conference schedule in the Valley. I do believe that Mullins wants to build a solid program and being a young head coach we as fans have to expect growing pains . However SIU basketball needs to sell tickets for the health of our athletic department. Really think we must show significant progress next year his 4th and I am worried about that. This team in my opinion needs an upgrade in its talent level to get to the top half of the Valley. Hopefully we add a couple of very important pieces this spring and we make that progress . I really believe next season is extremely important for Mullins and company.
One thing that the previous coach had right was that sometimes you think you have put together a solid schedule and then have several of the teams flop on you. Suddenly your good schedule isn't so good.
I'm disappointed we are 13-13 against a weak schedule and 6-8 in conference. I hoped we'd be further along by now.
I also still have complete confidence in the Mullins brothers to turn the corner and become a winning program.
These two things are not mutually exclusive.
As a client once told me, "we all make a living off one another's ignorance, do what you need to do". And this client was not a stupid person, in fact him telling me that proved he was a very intelligent person. I am fairly certain there are not too many D1 coaches-in-waiting among the membership of this board.
The advancement and diffusion of knowledge is the only guardian of true liberty.
James Madison
How much longer of mediocrity? No one answered the question …. Just a barrage of excuses and blame past coaches were posted.
So many on this site is quick to defend but no one laid out reasoning of when and how this will be turned around.
To the Kool-aid drinkers on this site ……. Sale me your vision of how and when this is turned around. For example: recruits, change in philosophy on offense and defense, staffing changes. I don’t want fluff …. Convince me on how this going to get better real soon.
To the few supporters who agree with me …. thanks for being honest. I want NCAA appearances!
Chris Lowery 145-116 .556
Barry Hinson 321-251 .561
Bryan Mullins 40-43 .482
that's a useless and unfair comparison.
lowery inherited a loaded team.
let's look at 1st 3 years at SIU.
Barry Hinson 40-57 .412
Bryan Mullins 40-43 .482
Bruce Weber 51-39 .567
Rich Herrun 32-53 .376
Joe Gottfried 31-50 .382
Allen Van Winkle 35-48 .421
Paul Lambert 34-41 .453
2nd best first 3 years at SIU in the last 50+ years since we went D1. chill and be patient.
just for comparison there's that guy at Duke.
Coach K 38-47 .447
Thank you. I am so sick of people who think this should be a championship program in 3 years, that isn't even considering the obstacles of the last 2 years.
Nobody thought they were a championship program this year coming in. They're an under .500 team playing a weak schedule though.
Without seeing who in the Valley is leaving and returning, I'm guessing no matter what SIU is picked in the middle of the pack next year behind Murray, Belmont, Drake, Missouri St, Bradley and maybe Northern Iowa depending on what they do. Yeah, some of these teams lose 5th year Seniors but they can just as easily build themselves back up quickly via the transfer portal.
Just have to look at what Bradley did last season getting Terry Roberts and Malevy Leons. There's no reason Bradley should be ahead of SIU right now after their scandal last season in Springfield and losing Sean East, Elijah Childs, and Ja'Shon Henry (to injuries) but they are.
I would like for the optimistic fans to weigh in on how they think we will be improved enough next year to turn the corner and compete for a Valley championship. Next year will be Mullins 4th year and by all accounts should be his best team but even then it will still be at best a middle of the pack Valley team, especially with the additions of Murray and Belmont. I need more of a reason to be optimistic than because of Covid the other 5 teams currently ahead of us are going to lose key experienced players, and that is going to suddenly make us a championship level team. We currently aren't a MVC championship level team we barley played .500 ball in the non-conference part of our schedule which was one of the weakest non-conference schedule's in school history. I really like Mullins he is a class act and I want nothing more than Mullins to be successfully but I have major concerns that we currently have the players to get to the top of the league in the foreseeable future.
Ill make it simple. You take away the ridiculous schedule due to COVID and 5th year seniors, SIU beats Drake at home, UNI at home, very possibly Missouri State on the road, maybe at home too as Prim is a match up nightmare, Loyola at home and possibly away as Williamson and Uguak changed both games.... Those were all close losses swayed by 5th year COVID seniors and an impossible schedule.
Even if they just win 3 of those this is a 10 win team with 3 to play against what would be extremely beatable teams in Indiana State, Illinois State and what would be a much different and not nearly as good Drake squad.
Chris Lowery 145-116 .556
Barry Hinson 321-251 .561
Bryan Mullins 40-43 .482
that's a useless and unfair comparison.
lowery inherited a loaded team.
let's look at 1st 3 years at SIU.
Barry Hinson 40-57 .412
Bryan Mullins 40-43 .482
Bruce Weber 51-39 .567
Rich Herrun 32-53 .376
Joe Gottfried 31-50 .382
Allen Van Winkle 35-48 .421
Paul Lambert 34-41 .453
2nd best first 3 years at SIU in the last 50+ years since we went D1. chill and be patient.
just for comparison there's that guy at Duke.
Coach K 38-47 .447
Thank you. I am so sick of people who think this should be a championship program in 3 years, that isn't even considering the obstacles of the last 2 years.
Nobody thought they were a championship program this year coming in. They're an under .500 team playing a weak schedule though.
Without seeing who in the Valley is leaving and returning, I'm guessing no matter what SIU is picked in the middle of the pack next year behind Murray, Belmont, Drake, Missouri St, Bradley and maybe Northern Iowa depending on what they do. Yeah, some of these teams lose 5th year Seniors but they can just as easily build themselves back up quickly via the transfer portal.
Just have to look at what Bradley did last season getting Terry Roberts and Malevy Leons. There's no reason Bradley should be ahead of SIU right now after their scandal last season in Springfield and losing Sean East, Elijah Childs, and Ja'Shon Henry (to injuries) but they are.
I would like for the optimistic fans to weigh in on how they think we will be improved enough next year to turn the corner and compete for a Valley championship. Next year will be Mullins 4th year and by all accounts should be his best team but even then it will still be at best a middle of the pack Valley team, especially with the additions of Murray and Belmont. I need more of a reason to be optimistic than because of Covid the other 5 teams currently ahead of us are going to lose key experienced players, and that is going to suddenly make us a championship level team. We currently aren't a MVC championship level team we barley played .500 ball in the non-conference part of our schedule which was one of the weakest non-conference schedule's in school history. I really like Mullins he is a class act and I want nothing more than Mullins to be successfully but I have major concerns that we currently have the players to get to the top of the league in the foreseeable future.
Ill make it simple. You take away the ridiculous schedule due to COVID and 5th year seniors, SIU beats Drake at home, UNI at home, very possibly Missouri State on the road, maybe at home too as Prim is a match up nightmare, Loyola at home and possibly away as Williamson and Uguak changed both games.... Those were all close losses swayed by 5th year COVID seniors and an impossible schedule.
Even if they just win 3 of those this is a 10 win team with 3 to play against what would be extremely beatable teams in Indiana State, Illinois State and what would be a much different and not nearly as good Drake squad.
Did supersenior Ben Coupet help Southern win any games? Looked like he did last night. And was the very lackluster non-conference showing, losing to teams like Northeastern, Little Rock, Tulsa, etc., also all attributable to an unfair COVID landscape?
I get your point, but to imply all this team's problems will be solved by super seniors graduating is a big-time reach. Southern needs to get better, regardless of who goes and who stays around the league.
Did supersenior Ben Coupet help Southern win any games? Looked like he did last night. And was the very lackluster non-conference showing, losing to teams like Northeastern, Little Rock, Tulsa, etc., also all attributable to an unfair COVID landscape?
I get your point, but to imply all this team's problems will be solved by super seniors graduating is a big-time reach. Southern needs to get better, regardless of who goes and who stays around the league.
Supersenior D'Avanzo hasn't played in 3 straight and 5 of 7. Recruiting and/or development hasn't exactly been great.
I’m far from a Koolaid Drinker (quite the opposite), but I’m going to attempt to answer your question with tangible data. No excuses for losing, no blaming Covid, and no hypotheticals like “we would have won this game or that if”…..
So, why am I confident we can show marked improvement next season?
1) Domask and Jones will be a year older and better.
2) Banks has shown positive development and should continue to do so.
3) Role players like Verplancken, Brown, and especially Freshman D’ Amico should continue to mature.
4) We will add 6’10” Freshmen Scottie Ebube and 7’0” Cade Hornecker to our frontline. In my opinion, Ebube will immediately be the best big man on the team and should make the MVC All-Freshman Team, pushing Filewich and Muila into reserve roles. Hornecker has the skills to play the Stretch 4, if necessary. But he may need a Redshirt Year to get bigger & stronger. Bottom line is our length will be greatly improved.
5) Foster Wonders is already the best pure shooter on the squad and will be eligible next year, after spending a Redshirt Year in the program working on his defense and athleticism. He should give an immediate boost to our Offense.
6) We are very much “in on” the Number 1 rated Juco PG in the country. If we get Brian Moore, he will be an immediate game-changer and he has 3 years of eligibility remaining.
7) I don’t know what’s going to happen with Ben Harvey. But if he’s no longer able to play, that gives us another scholarship to use. The staff will use it to hit the Transfer Portal hard to get better and more athletic.
8) We have a good, capable, young Coaching Staff. They already work their butts off on the Recruiting Trail and will continue to learn and improve Game Strategy.
Really, the only Negative I see for next year is the loss of Coupet. But I’m confident his replacement will come either in the form of Brian Moore or via the Transfer Portal.
Yes, I’m fairly disappointed in the current mediocre season. But I do believe there are legit reasons to be hopeful for the immediate future. Hope that answers the question.
