Lance was good, not great last year. He shot SIU out of several games and the Bradley home game stands out as his worst game at SIU (granted there might have been personal things he was dealing with there).
I'm interested to see how he does at Purdue because I think Painter is going to get a lot out of him and coach him a lot better than he's been coached at SIU. He'll likely come off the bench and play in spurts. Purdue has really needed a quicker, smaller guard like him against teams like FDU and North Texas in the Tournament the last few years.
It wasn’t just the Bradley home game - in many of SIU’s biggest games, Lance really struggled. Southern didn’t get to 60 in any of the five games against Drake or Bradley and Lance’s box scores in those games weren’t pretty. And TBH, he was a huge reason Southern dug a major hole in the quarterfinal game against Mo State and needed a major rally to avoid what would have been a disastrous one-and-done in St. Louis.
I do think he can be effective in a different role at Purdue for the reasons that have been mentioned, and he had many memorable games and moments at Southern. And he’s a very likable kid who I will continue to pull for. But there’s a reason he was lucky to be third team all-MVC in a down year for the league this year.
Lucky to make 3rd team? That is complete bullshit! 11th in FT shooting, 12th in scoring, 1st in steals and one of the best defenders in the MVC. Easily one of the best players in the MVC.
You're cherry picking to play the blame game. A loss is never the result of a single player, unless you want to say (as you are) that Lance was responsible for the losses because he didn't play great. I could just as easily blame our two losses to Drake on Marcus.
At Drake, Lance was the high scorer (13 pts) on 3 - 6 three pt shooting, 4 -5 FTs, and 2 steals - just 1 TO. Domask was 1 - 8, 0 - 3 from three pt land, had only 5 pts with 4 TOs. He was just absent that game.
In the MVC tournament against Drake, Lance was high scorer with 18. Domask had just 7 pts.
In our home win against the Redturds, Lance had 21 in 30 minutes and 2 steals, Domask had only 10 pts in 34 minutes and was 0 - 4 from three.
At Bradley, Lance and XJ each had 13 pts, Domask had only 5 pts, D'Amico had 0 pts in 20 minutes. In the home Bradley game, Lance didn't make a shot, had 0 points, and played only 16 minutes. Troy D'Amico played 24 minutes and didn't score a point.
After the next game in which we blew out UNI, Lance (28 pts and player of the game), said his Aunt had recently died and some things were going on with his Dad.
At Redturd State, Newton played 23 minutes - 0 pts. Muila 19 minutes - 1 pt., D'Amico 20 minutes - 2 pts.
Domask led the MVC in turnovers BTW. Jones led the MVC in steals. I'm not trying to put down Marcus - heck of a player. Just pointing out the cherry picking people are doing to blame stuff on a single player. Without Lance, we're probably not a .500 team this season.
I can absolutely cherry pick games and find someone who did not play well and blame the loss on them.
1. You can call it cherrypicking. I call the six games against Bradley, Drake and Mo State at Arch Madness SIU’s most important games of the season. Lance was a combined 17 of 69 from the field in those games and 7 of 38 from 3. Those are facts.
2. I know he’s a great defender. Not debating that.
3. I’m pretty sure Lance could go 5 of 38 from the field and 3-11 from the FT line in a game and you’d be trumpeting how he was the team’s second-leading scorer with 13 points. And that’s fine. This is a fan board and you are a big fan of Lance’s game. I like him, too … just saw a lot of highs and lows and some rocky performances in big games.
Wishing Lance the best in his future and hoping the Salukis can find some guards who are more consistent and efficient offensively. And who play as hard as Lance did.
Lance was good, not great last year. He shot SIU out of several games and the Bradley home game stands out as his worst game at SIU (granted there might have been personal things he was dealing with there).
I'm interested to see how he does at Purdue because I think Painter is going to get a lot out of him and coach him a lot better than he's been coached at SIU. He'll likely come off the bench and play in spurts. Purdue has really needed a quicker, smaller guard like him against teams like FDU and North Texas in the Tournament the last few years.
It wasn’t just the Bradley home game - in many of SIU’s biggest games, Lance really struggled. Southern didn’t get to 60 in any of the five games against Drake or Bradley and Lance’s box scores in those games weren’t pretty. And TBH, he was a huge reason Southern dug a major hole in the quarterfinal game against Mo State and needed a major rally to avoid what would have been a disastrous one-and-done in St. Louis.
I do think he can be effective in a different role at Purdue for the reasons that have been mentioned, and he had many memorable games and moments at Southern. And he’s a very likable kid who I will continue to pull for. But there’s a reason he was lucky to be third team all-MVC in a down year for the league this year.
Lucky to make 3rd team? That is complete bullshit! 11th in FT shooting, 12th in scoring, 1st in steals and one of the best defenders in the MVC. Easily one of the best players in the MVC.
You're cherry picking to play the blame game. A loss is never the result of a single player, unless you want to say (as you are) that Lance was responsible for the losses because he didn't play great. I could just as easily blame our two losses to Drake on Marcus.
At Drake, Lance was the high scorer (13 pts) on 3 - 6 three pt shooting, 4 -5 FTs, and 2 steals - just 1 TO. Domask was 1 - 8, 0 - 3 from three pt land, had only 5 pts with 4 TOs. He was just absent that game.
In the MVC tournament against Drake, Lance was high scorer with 18. Domask had just 7 pts.
In our home win against the Redturds, Lance had 21 in 30 minutes and 2 steals, Domask had only 10 pts in 34 minutes and was 0 - 4 from three.
At Bradley, Lance and XJ each had 13 pts, Domask had only 5 pts, D'Amico had 0 pts in 20 minutes. In the home Bradley game, Lance didn't make a shot, had 0 points, and played only 16 minutes. Troy D'Amico played 24 minutes and didn't score a point.
After the next game in which we blew out UNI, Lance (28 pts and player of the game), said his Aunt had recently died and some things were going on with his Dad.
At Redturd State, Newton played 23 minutes - 0 pts. Muila 19 minutes - 1 pt., D'Amico 20 minutes - 2 pts.
Domask led the MVC in turnovers BTW. Jones led the MVC in steals. I'm not trying to put down Marcus - heck of a player. Just pointing out the cherry picking people are doing to blame stuff on a single player. Without Lance, we're probably not a .500 team this season.
I can absolutely cherry pick games and find someone who did not play well and blame the loss on them.
1. You can call it cherrypicking. I call the six games against Bradley, Drake and Mo State at Arch Madness SIU’s most important games of the season. Lance was a combined 17 of 69 from the field in those games and 7 of 38 from 3. Those are facts.
2. I know he’s a great defender. Not debating that.
3. I’m pretty sure Lance could go 5 of 38 from the field and 3-11 from the FT line in a game and you’d be trumpeting how he was the team’s second-leading scorer with 13 points. And that’s fine. This is a fan board and you are a big fan of Lance’s game. I like him, too … just saw a lot of highs and lows and some rocky performances in big games.
Wishing Lance the best in his future and hoping the Salukis can find some guards who are more consistent and efficient offensively. And who play as hard as Lance did.
Absolutely cherry picking - how come you're not pointing out how bad Domask was in the losses to Drake (4 - 19, 21%) and other games where he played poorly?
You obviously want to ignore the inconvenient facts and blame the losses on Lance but not on Marcus.
Lance was good, not great last year. He shot SIU out of several games and the Bradley home game stands out as his worst game at SIU (granted there might have been personal things he was dealing with there).
I'm interested to see how he does at Purdue because I think Painter is going to get a lot out of him and coach him a lot better than he's been coached at SIU. He'll likely come off the bench and play in spurts. Purdue has really needed a quicker, smaller guard like him against teams like FDU and North Texas in the Tournament the last few years.
It wasn’t just the Bradley home game - in many of SIU’s biggest games, Lance really struggled. Southern didn’t get to 60 in any of the five games against Drake or Bradley and Lance’s box scores in those games weren’t pretty. And TBH, he was a huge reason Southern dug a major hole in the quarterfinal game against Mo State and needed a major rally to avoid what would have been a disastrous one-and-done in St. Louis.
I do think he can be effective in a different role at Purdue for the reasons that have been mentioned, and he had many memorable games and moments at Southern. And he’s a very likable kid who I will continue to pull for. But there’s a reason he was lucky to be third team all-MVC in a down year for the league this year.
Lucky to make 3rd team? That is complete bullshit! 11th in FT shooting, 12th in scoring, 1st in steals and one of the best defenders in the MVC. Easily one of the best players in the MVC.
You're cherry picking to play the blame game. A loss is never the result of a single player, unless you want to say (as you are) that Lance was responsible for the losses because he didn't play great. I could just as easily blame our two losses to Drake on Marcus.
At Drake, Lance was the high scorer (13 pts) on 3 - 6 three pt shooting, 4 -5 FTs, and 2 steals - just 1 TO. Domask was 1 - 8, 0 - 3 from three pt land, had only 5 pts with 4 TOs. He was just absent that game.
In the MVC tournament against Drake, Lance was high scorer with 18. Domask had just 7 pts.
In our home win against the Redturds, Lance had 21 in 30 minutes and 2 steals, Domask had only 10 pts in 34 minutes and was 0 - 4 from three.
At Bradley, Lance and XJ each had 13 pts, Domask had only 5 pts, D'Amico had 0 pts in 20 minutes. In the home Bradley game, Lance didn't make a shot, had 0 points, and played only 16 minutes. Troy D'Amico played 24 minutes and didn't score a point.
After the next game in which we blew out UNI, Lance (28 pts and player of the game), said his Aunt had recently died and some things were going on with his Dad.
At Redturd State, Newton played 23 minutes - 0 pts. Muila 19 minutes - 1 pt., D'Amico 20 minutes - 2 pts.
Domask led the MVC in turnovers BTW. Jones led the MVC in steals. I'm not trying to put down Marcus - heck of a player. Just pointing out the cherry picking people are doing to blame stuff on a single player. Without Lance, we're probably not a .500 team this season.
I can absolutely cherry pick games and find someone who did not play well and blame the loss on them.
1. You can call it cherrypicking. I call the six games against Bradley, Drake and Mo State at Arch Madness SIU’s most important games of the season. Lance was a combined 17 of 69 from the field in those games and 7 of 38 from 3. Those are facts.
2. I know he’s a great defender. Not debating that.
3. I’m pretty sure Lance could go 5 of 38 from the field and 3-11 from the FT line in a game and you’d be trumpeting how he was the team’s second-leading scorer with 13 points. And that’s fine. This is a fan board and you are a big fan of Lance’s game. I like him, too … just saw a lot of highs and lows and some rocky performances in big games.
Wishing Lance the best in his future and hoping the Salukis can find some guards who are more consistent and efficient offensively. And who play as hard as Lance did.
Absolutely cherry picking - how come you're not pointing out how bad Domask was in the losses to Drake (4 - 19, 21%) and other games where he played poorly?
You obviously want to ignore the inconvenient facts and blame the losses on Lance but not on Marcus.
Marcus was pretty good in the home games against Drake and Bradley and at least decent in the Missouri State win in St. Louis. He struggled in the other three games, but was not subpar in all six like Lance was.
And of course Lance is not all to blame for those games. We all know the biggest issue was not enough scorers to take pressure off those two when one or both struggled.
I’ll end on a more charitable note: Lance made some clutch plays late in the game at Oklahoma State, which was a big win. Marcus hit a huge late 3 in that one as well.
That’s all I got for this thread. Enjoy the rest of your holiday.
Not only was Lance a great player, but he was incredibly kind and friendly off the course. I wish him nothing but the best and hope he gets to play in the tournament! Glad he was a Saluki!
Edit: "court" ugh, had the Masters on my mind!
Jon Rothstein has him projected as a key bench player and listed as a transfer from SIUE 🤬
well, one of those things is true. He ain’t gonna start.
Hi everyone - sorry to bump this, but I'm a Purdue guy working through a season preview and wanted to get thoughts on Lance Jones (and I know you all here have a lot of experience with him).
I've looked at some film and a lot of numbers. Obviously, one thing that stands out is the volume of 3s (and low percentage last year), but didn't seem as much of a issue in previous years.
Again, I've only sifted through numbers, so I figured you all would have better insight. How did his usage shift over his 4 years? It seemed to me he primarily played PG early on, started to split time with Banks at the 1 during his junior year, and then when Johnson transferred in, made the full switch to to SG, which is then reflected in his volume increasing across the board.
Is that fairly accurate? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone - sorry to bump this, but I'm a Purdue guy working through a season preview and wanted to get thoughts on Lance Jones (and I know you all here have a lot of experience with him).
I've looked at some film and a lot of numbers. Obviously, one thing that stands out is the volume of 3s (and low percentage last year), but didn't seem as much of a issue in previous years.
Again, I've only sifted through numbers, so I figured you all would have better insight. How did his usage shift over his 4 years? It seemed to me he primarily played PG early on, started to split time with Banks at the 1 during his junior year, and then when Johnson transferred in, made the full switch to to SG, which is then reflected in his volume increasing across the board.
Is that fairly accurate? Thanks in advance!
Your post above is pretty much on the money. He has the ball-handling skills to play point guard but he was always more of a scorer than a distributor so they moved him off the ball later in his career to let him focus on scoring and cut down on his turnovers. Unfortunately he really struggled with his 3-point shot as a senior despite, as you noted, shooting a ton of them (and many from deeeep).
Offensively, he is very streaky: he had some prolonged cold stretches but also had some halves where he put the team on his back and scored in bunches. He is a very tenacious defender, and didn't really let any shooting slumps affect his defense or effort. And he's a really good guy and teammate. Obviously the recent loss of his father is extremely sad.
Wishing Lance well in his grad season.
Hi everyone - sorry to bump this, but I'm a Purdue guy working through a season preview and wanted to get thoughts on Lance Jones (and I know you all here have a lot of experience with him).
I've looked at some film and a lot of numbers. Obviously, one thing that stands out is the volume of 3s (and low percentage last year), but didn't seem as much of a issue in previous years.
Again, I've only sifted through numbers, so I figured you all would have better insight. How did his usage shift over his 4 years? It seemed to me he primarily played PG early on, started to split time with Banks at the 1 during his junior year, and then when Johnson transferred in, made the full switch to to SG, which is then reflected in his volume increasing across the board.
Is that fairly accurate? Thanks in advance!
Led the MVC in steals last two years. Was on the All-Con Defensive team last two years and 3rd team All-Con last year. Good defender. Led the MVC in 3 pt shooting his soph. year but shot poorly last year. He can drive it and is very quick and physical.
Hi everyone - sorry to bump this, but I'm a Purdue guy working through a season preview and wanted to get thoughts on Lance Jones (and I know you all here have a lot of experience with him).
I've looked at some film and a lot of numbers. Obviously, one thing that stands out is the volume of 3s (and low percentage last year), but didn't seem as much of a issue in previous years.
Again, I've only sifted through numbers, so I figured you all would have better insight. How did his usage shift over his 4 years? It seemed to me he primarily played PG early on, started to split time with Banks at the 1 during his junior year, and then when Johnson transferred in, made the full switch to to SG, which is then reflected in his volume increasing across the board.
Is that fairly accurate? Thanks in advance!
Your post above is pretty much on the money. He has the ball-handling skills to play point guard but he was always more of a scorer than a distributor so they moved him off the ball later in his career to let him focus on scoring and cut down on his turnovers. Unfortunately he really struggled with his 3-point shot as a senior despite, as you noted, shooting a ton of them (and many from deeeep).
Offensively, he is very streaky: he had some prolonged cold stretches but also had some halves where he put the team on his back and scored in bunches. He is a very tenacious defender, and didn't really let any shooting slumps affect his defense or effort. And he's a really good guy and teammate. Obviously the recent loss of his father is extremely sad.
Wishing Lance well in his grad season.
Well said....
