I hope everybody on the board is watching this game. I want to make sure we’re all seeing the same thing. This is a non-debatable result.
If we had hit our free throws we would have won this game.
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I respectfully disagree with the notion that next year Bryan had better win big time. He's a very young man in his first go at being a head coach. That alone should have a 2-3 year grace period minimum.
Look at Nick Hill. He's in his 7th year now as a HC. Year 3 certainly didn't go all that well for him. And how about Porter Moser. Didn't it take him 12-15 years to figure it out.
Let's be honest, C'dale isn't exactly a destination that draws the best coaches. Small budgets, lots of bus travel, good facilities but certainly not the best, etc. don't attract the best in their respective professions.
SIU is very fortunate to have a Nick Hill. Local boy that wants to stay close to home. And Bryan Mullins, though not a local boy, still has ties to his al mater. If we can give BBQbarry seven years, we can give Bryan at least that. And BBQbarry was a HC for at least ten years before he got here.
I’m all for Mullins getting plenty of time, but getting off to a shaky start makes everything harder, especially from a recruiting standpoint. That’s what concerns me most … the lack of momentum/buzz around the program when you’re scoring 50 points a night and losing home games left and right.
Don't you think ISUred now regrets giving Porter Moser the bum's rush?
I'm not sayin' -- I'm just sayin'!
I respectfully disagree with the notion that next year Bryan had better win big time. He's a very young man in his first go at being a head coach. That alone should have a 2-3 year grace period minimum.
Look at Nick Hill. He's in his 7th year now as a HC. Year 3 certainly didn't go all that well for him. And how about Porter Moser. Didn't it take him 12-15 years to figure it out.
Let's be honest, C'dale isn't exactly a destination that draws the best coaches. Small budgets, lots of bus travel, good facilities but certainly not the best, etc. don't attract the best in their respective professions.
SIU is very fortunate to have a Nick Hill. Local boy that wants to stay close to home. And Bryan Mullins, though not a local boy, still has ties to his al mater. If we can give BBQbarry seven years, we can give Bryan at least that. And BBQbarry was a HC for at least ten years before he got here.
Football and basketball at the SIU level are two totally different things.
1. People care much more about basketball than they ever will about football.
2. Hill can recruit pretty well and is a good leader of men. I think he needs to give up the play calling to a true OC though.
3. You can’t compare Mullins with Fired coach. Two very different things.
4. Mullins needs to adjust. Everything can’t all be about defense. I will gladly take some good offensive talent who are just average defensively any day.
5. The good news is Mullins is young and hopefully not stubborn yet like some 50-something longtime hack. Change is good when stuff ain’t going well.
6. I expected a close loss tonight: but not getting blown out at home.
Bryan Mullins postgame:
https://siusalukis.com/watch/?Archive=6099&type=Archive
Dalton Banks postgame:
Everyone needs to relax until next year. This is another team heavily dependent on a guy who should have moved on after last year who kicks our butt.
It's not that the players are bad. In the right situations all of them could contribute. It's that we have too many 6'1" and 6'2" guys. They are put in no win situations because of having to match up with bigger players. If one more scholarship is all we will have they had better use it well.
Seems like we are always undersized. Domask is a great player, but he's not a power forward. He's going up against guys 2-3 inches taller than him on a regular basis. Same with Lance at 6'1". Bottom line is we need bigger, more athletic players to compete with the big boys....even in our own conference.
I respectfully disagree with the notion that next year Bryan had better win big time. He's a very young man in his first go at being a head coach. That alone should have a 2-3 year grace period minimum.
Look at Nick Hill. He's in his 7th year now as a HC. Year 3 certainly didn't go all that well for him. And how about Porter Moser. Didn't it take him 12-15 years to figure it out.
Let's be honest, C'dale isn't exactly a destination that draws the best coaches. Small budgets, lots of bus travel, good facilities but certainly not the best, etc. don't attract the best in their respective professions.
SIU is very fortunate to have a Nick Hill. Local boy that wants to stay close to home. And Bryan Mullins, though not a local boy, still has ties to his al mater. If we can give BBQbarry seven years, we can give Bryan at least that. And BBQbarry was a HC for at least ten years before he got here.
I’m all for Mullins getting plenty of time, but getting off to a shaky start makes everything harder, especially from a recruiting standpoint. That’s what concerns me most … the lack of momentum/buzz around the program when you’re scoring 50 points a night and losing home games left and right.
Don't you think ISUred now regrets giving Porter Moser the bum's rush?
Nobody is saying Mullins should be fired though. I agree that not winning games hurts recruiting. You lose local products like NJ Benson to Missouri State or an Illinois Wolves product in Jalen Quinn to Loyola.
Mullins is going to get at least 5 years to figure this out because he has a 6 year deal now but if there's not any improvement next year, you've got to start wondering about the direction of the program. I really hope next season is great and Mullins works out because I was 100% on board with the Mullins hire and still think SIU Basketball can head in the right direction.
I respectfully disagree with the notion that next year Bryan had better win big time. He's a very young man in his first go at being a head coach. That alone should have a 2-3 year grace period minimum.
Look at Nick Hill. He's in his 7th year now as a HC. Year 3 certainly didn't go all that well for him. And how about Porter Moser. Didn't it take him 12-15 years to figure it out.
Let's be honest, C'dale isn't exactly a destination that draws the best coaches. Small budgets, lots of bus travel, good facilities but certainly not the best, etc. don't attract the best in their respective professions.
SIU is very fortunate to have a Nick Hill. Local boy that wants to stay close to home. And Bryan Mullins, though not a local boy, still has ties to his al mater. If we can give BBQbarry seven years, we can give Bryan at least that. And BBQbarry was a HC for at least ten years before he got here.
I’m all for Mullins getting plenty of time, but getting off to a shaky start makes everything harder, especially from a recruiting standpoint. That’s what concerns me most … the lack of momentum/buzz around the program when you’re scoring 50 points a night and losing home games left and right.
Don't you think ISUred now regrets giving Porter Moser the bum's rush?
Don’t know, but I’m not at all convinced Moser would have shined at ISU with more rope. He grew from his time with Majerus, a fresh start, etc.
It’s not realistic to give every coach a decade to figure it out, and in many cases, they never will. Hopefully the learning curve is quicker for Bryan and he makes some adjustments going forward to address the shortcomings.
@beadmedaddio I hate these excuses. We got Bruce to come here after Purdue and he was facing three straight losing seasons entering here. I’m sick of this loser talk. We’ve never had a stretch like this. SIU hasn’t gone 14 years without postseason play since the inception of the NIT in 1938. Never. It’s never happened. That’s what we’re facing. 14 years without postseason play.
Guys have come here and won for years. Guys came here during dark times and turned it around. It’s already Year 3. There HAS TO be some growth. HAS TO. There’s plenty of qualified coaches who would take this job. I’m not at that point yet, but wins and improvement need to show up by next year. I’m not waiting another 3-5 years. It’s been 14 years.
And cut the crap of ‘well, SIU is different now, and budgets and so and so’. Rich Herrin was facing conversations of this team moving to D-II. He faced it and turned the team around and made it better EACH YEAR until he got to the tournament.
I’m not here for loser talk. This is a winning program and the goal should always be to win.
Sorry, I just hate everybody suddenly accepting mediocrity these days.
Bow Em
@beadmedaddio I hate these excuses. We got Bruce to come here after Purdue and he was facing three straight losing seasons entering here. I’m sick of this loser talk. We’ve never had a stretch like this. SIU hasn’t gone 14 years without postseason play since the inception of the NIT in 1938. Never. It’s never happened. That’s what we’re facing. 14 years without postseason play.
Guys have come here and won for years. Guys came here during dark times and turned it around. It’s already Year 3. There HAS TO be some growth. HAS TO. There’s plenty of qualified coaches who would take this job. I’m not at that point yet, but wins and improvement need to show up by next year. I’m not waiting another 3-5 years. It’s been 14 years.And cut the crap of ‘well, SIU is different now, and budgets and so and so’. Rich Herrin was facing conversations of this team moving to D-II. He faced it and turned the team around and made it better EACH YEAR until he got to the tournament.
I’m not here for loser talk. This is a winning program and the goal should always be to win.
Sorry, I just hate everybody suddenly accepting mediocrity these days.
I respect the gumption.
And yeah, this drought has been way too damn long and has taken a heavy toll on the fan base.
It’s a tough spot for Bryan at this point but I don’t think he’s one to give in to despair.
We heard that last year. And, unfortunately, my concern is that we'll hear that we need to be patient next year too. What is going to be different next year? If it's solely that other teams will be losing their 25 year old 5th year seniors, I get it. But if it's something else, I don't. 2 guys who weren't good enough to play this year aren't all of a sudden going to change things. A 120lb 7' freshmen center isn't going to change things. This team needs more athleticism and more size. I stand by my opinion that Mullins staff has struggled to recruit to this point. Hopefully that changes because until then, we'll be stuck in mediocrity (at best).
I respectfully disagree with the notion that next year Bryan had better win big time. He's a very young man in his first go at being a head coach. That alone should have a 2-3 year grace period minimum.
Look at Nick Hill. He's in his 7th year now as a HC. Year 3 certainly didn't go all that well for him. And how about Porter Moser. Didn't it take him 12-15 years to figure it out.
Let's be honest, C'dale isn't exactly a destination that draws the best coaches. Small budgets, lots of bus travel, good facilities but certainly not the best, etc. don't attract the best in their respective professions.
SIU is very fortunate to have a Nick Hill. Local boy that wants to stay close to home. And Bryan Mullins, though not a local boy, still has ties to his al mater. If we can give BBQbarry seven years, we can give Bryan at least that. And BBQbarry was a HC for at least ten years before he got here.
Football and basketball at the SIU level are two totally different things.
1. People care much more about basketball than they ever will about football.
2. Hill can recruit pretty well and is a good leader of men. I think he needs to give up the play calling to a true OC though.
3. You can’t compare Mullins with Fired coach. Two very different things.
4. Mullins needs to adjust. Everything can’t all be about defense. I will gladly take some good offensive talent who are just average defensively any day.
5. The good news is Mullins is young and hopefully not stubborn yet like some 50-something longtime hack. Change is good when stuff ain’t going well.
6. I expected a close loss tonight: but not getting blown out at home.
You're missing the point entirely. I am, in no way, comparing the two sports. I'm simply using Nick as a tool to prove my point of being patient. SIU was patient with him. It is paying off. And SIU should show more patience that normal for potentially good very young coaches with ties to the university. SIU has not been able to come up with the big bucks to attract very good veteran coaches. And since SIU is not a destination, it certainly would have to pay top dollar to attract a proven winner.
And why can't a comparison be made between fired coach and Mullins? Absolutely it can. And the very simplistic comparison I was making was fired coach was a veteran HC when he showed up at SIU. Bryan was not. There. Simple. And why in the world are you introducing Nick Hill as an OC and how many people care about basketball to football into this conversation? What?
And as to the argument that Bryan must not be able to see that his team has trouble scoring and therefore doesn't adjust. This is an observation made by many others on this site and not only you. This team simply doesn't have players that can score consistently in double digits outside a couple of guys. Telling them to score more won't work. Running plays for them won't work. You can run all the plays you have ever seen, but if your players are not scorers it simply isn't going to happen. I'm going to venture onto thin ice again. If you've got a baseball player with the ability to hit 200, it doesn't matter how hard you coach him up, he will never be a 300 hitter.
I'm not sayin' -- I'm just sayin'!
@thunnellvision based on the attendance and regular people who don’t post on message boards, nobody thinks this is head in the right direction.
There is still this fantasy love fest with Mullins among some in the fan base because we loved him as a player.
He will get better. I hope.
I respectfully disagree with the notion that next year Bryan had better win big time. He's a very young man in his first go at being a head coach. That alone should have a 2-3 year grace period minimum.
Look at Nick Hill. He's in his 7th year now as a HC. Year 3 certainly didn't go all that well for him. And how about Porter Moser. Didn't it take him 12-15 years to figure it out.
Let's be honest, C'dale isn't exactly a destination that draws the best coaches. Small budgets, lots of bus travel, good facilities but certainly not the best, etc. don't attract the best in their respective professions.
SIU is very fortunate to have a Nick Hill. Local boy that wants to stay close to home. And Bryan Mullins, though not a local boy, still has ties to his al mater. If we can give BBQbarry seven years, we can give Bryan at least that. And BBQbarry was a HC for at least ten years before he got here.
Football and basketball at the SIU level are two totally different things.
1. People care much more about basketball than they ever will about football.
2. Hill can recruit pretty well and is a good leader of men. I think he needs to give up the play calling to a true OC though.
3. You can’t compare Mullins with Fired coach. Two very different things.
4. Mullins needs to adjust. Everything can’t all be about defense. I will gladly take some good offensive talent who are just average defensively any day.
5. The good news is Mullins is young and hopefully not stubborn yet like some 50-something longtime hack. Change is good when stuff ain’t going well.
6. I expected a close loss tonight: but not getting blown out at home.
You're missing the point entirely. I am, in no way, comparing the two sports. I'm simply using Nick as a tool to prove my point of being patient. SIU was patient with him. It is paying off. And SIU should show more patience that normal for potentially good very young coaches with ties to the university. SIU has not been able to come up with the big bucks to attract very good veteran coaches. And since SIU is not a destination, it certainly would have to pay top dollar to attract a proven winner.
And why can't a comparison be made between fired coach and Mullins? Absolutely it can. And the very simplistic comparison I was making was fired coach was a veteran HC when he showed up at SIU. Bryan was not. There. Simple. And why in the world are you introducing Nick Hill as an OC and how many people care about basketball to football into this conversation? What?
And as to the argument that Bryan must not be able to see that his team has trouble scoring and therefore doesn't adjust. This is an observation made by many others on this site and not only you. This team simply doesn't have players that can score consistently in double digits outside a couple of guys. Telling them to score more won't work. Running plays for them won't work. You can run all the plays you have ever seen, but if your players are not scorers it simply isn't going to happen. I'm going to venture onto thin ice again. If you've got a baseball player with the ability to hit 200, it doesn't matter how hard you coach him up, he will never be a 300 hitter.
Then Bryan Mullins, his older brother and two other staff members have done a very lousy job of recruiting. End of story.
That’s a pretty big effing deal.
@beadmedaddio I hate these excuses. We got Bruce to come here after Purdue and he was facing three straight losing seasons entering here. I’m sick of this loser talk. We’ve never had a stretch like this. SIU hasn’t gone 14 years without postseason play since the inception of the NIT in 1938. Never. It’s never happened. That’s what we’re facing. 14 years without postseason play.
Guys have come here and won for years. Guys came here during dark times and turned it around. It’s already Year 3. There HAS TO be some growth. HAS TO. There’s plenty of qualified coaches who would take this job. I’m not at that point yet, but wins and improvement need to show up by next year. I’m not waiting another 3-5 years. It’s been 14 years.And cut the crap of ‘well, SIU is different now, and budgets and so and so’. Rich Herrin was facing conversations of this team moving to D-II. He faced it and turned the team around and made it better EACH YEAR until he got to the tournament.
I’m not here for loser talk. This is a winning program and the goal should always be to win.
Sorry, I just hate everybody suddenly accepting mediocrity these days.
Don't forget also that for 14 straight years, we haven't even seen SIU make it TO the MVC tourney final, let alone win the auto-bid. That's also the longest stretch in team history.
14 straight years of watching this team come up well short in St. Louis - not even one single, stinking, magical run of "hey, we're one win away from the Dance!"... and it'll very likely be 15 straight after this season's done.
Here's the list of teams that have made it to the MVC final since SIU was last in one way back in 2007:
Illinois State - 6 appearances
UNI - 5
Wichita State - 4
Loyola - 2
Indiana State - 2
Drake - 2
Creighton - 2
Bradley - 2
Evansville - 1
Missouri State - 1
Valparaiso - 1
So yep, every other current Valley school (along with two schools that have moved on) have been to the MVC final since SIU was last there, with eight of those schools having multiple appearances.
Geez, can't we have just ONE decent run in St. Louis?!??!
