So this is year 4 and that got me thinking about Mullins contract. He got the extra year when Kill left so his contract runs through 2025. I would think after this year, they would start thinking about an extension (for recruiting purposes alone), but I wonder how the results of this season might affect that decision. If we end up not winning the league (let's say finish 3rd or 4th) and flame out on Friday or even Saturday, do you think the AD waits for the 2024 season to conclude? Or on the flip side, if we do win the league (regardless of whether or not we win the tourney), does the AD go ahead and lock him in hoping to boost recruiting and build some momentum going forward?
Personally, I think the results of this season greatly impact the AD's decision on whether or not they engage on contract talks. I really don't like the idea of the coaching staff being put in a disadvantaged position in terms of recruiting, but I would certainly understand the hesitation if we have a disappointing result this year.
I should add, I think we are in a better situation now than we were when Mullins took over for Hinson and I really do like Mullins. I think the expectations were inflated a bit after the success he had year one and that has lead to some disappointment from a starving fan base with the results the last couple years. Curious to get everyone else's thoughts on this.
So this is year 4 and that got me thinking about Mullins contract. He got the extra year when Kill left so his contract runs through 2025. I would think after this year, they would start thinking about an extension (for recruiting purposes alone), but I wonder how the results of this season might affect that decision. If we end up not winning the league (let's say finish 3rd or 4th) and flame out on Friday or even Saturday, do you think the AD waits for the 2024 season to conclude? Or on the flip side, if we do win the league (regardless of whether or not we win the tourney), does the AD go ahead and lock him in hoping to boost recruiting and build some momentum going forward?
Personally, I think the results of this season greatly impact the AD's decision on whether or not they engage on contract talks. I really don't like the idea of the coaching staff being put in a disadvantaged position in terms of recruiting, but I would certainly understand the hesitation if we have a disappointing result this year.
I should add, I think we are in a better situation now than we were when Mullins took over for Hinson and I really do like Mullins. I think the expectations were inflated a bit after the success he had year one and that has lead to some disappointment from a starving fan base with the results the last couple years. Curious to get everyone else's thoughts on this.
I would bet on him getting extended. Not sure if it’s this off-season or next, but I bet it happens. Leonard seems to like what he’s seeing.
He'll get an extension either this offseason or next offseason. The admin won't want other teams to be able to use his contract to recruit against us. We currently have a pro athletics admin. The number of years and amount will depend upon how we finish this year and/or next year, depending upon the timing.
I think Mullins is in a good spot with improved results this season, a great personal reputation/relationship with the fan base, solid attendance this year, etc. Obviously his position would be further strengthened by finishing this season strong, but I think an extension is very probable, just a matter of timing.
I'd support an extension, though I will say I wish we were seeing more from the underclassmen this season to feel better about what the post-Domask and Jones future will look like, whether that's next season or the following year.
Extend him, this thing is building. The recruits are getting better, the class balance is nearly perfect. This isn't Hinson who was building to one chance at one season with 7 seniors, this is class balance, player retention based, slow build. Mullins is still a green coach with much to learn, but there is no way when he was hired people thought he would be perfect. This program is heading in the right direction, it feels close to a take off. The goal should be to compete for a title every year. People need to lower expectations, even proven coaches like Ben Jacobson is unable to build an at large type team in this college environment, scheduling, losing players to P5 programs, all that is making it really hard. Mullins is doing very very well.
Extend him, this thing is building. The recruits are getting better, the class balance is nearly perfect. This isn't Hinson who was building to one chance at one season with 7 seniors, this is class balance, player retention based, slow build. Mullins is still a green coach with much to learn, but there is no way when he was hired people thought he would be perfect. This program is heading in the right direction, it feels close to a take off. The goal should be to compete for a title every year. People need to lower expectations, even proven coaches like Ben Jacobson is unable to build an at large type team in this college environment, scheduling, losing players to P5 programs, all that is making it really hard. Mullins is doing very very well.
I'm a Mullins supporter, but some of this is pretty sunshiny. "The recruits are getting better." Are you talking about the spring portal adds, because of last year's freshman class, only D'Amico is playing off the bench and scoring little, while Wonders and Ebube ride the bench, and this year's lone true freshman, Hornecker, is also DNPing. AJ Ferguson, another recruit this year who isn't cracking the rotation.
We can hold out hope for their futures, but there's not been much tangible evidence there to feel good about.
Not everyone can play, this is a team with a bunch of upperclassmen. Just because 3 freshman, including one who broke his hand midseason are not playing does not mean the recruits are not good. Did we expect players to come in and take Jones and Domask minutes? I have a feeling Ebube would have played without the early season injury. The wanted to add vets to compete for a championship, which they are, X and Newton were excellent adds. We have built a roster on players who have been in the program, that's a good thing. Wonders, Troy and Ebube were good recruits, they will play going forward.Extend him, this thing is building. The recruits are getting better, the class balance is nearly perfect. This isn't Hinson who was building to one chance at one season with 7 seniors, this is class balance, player retention based, slow build. Mullins is still a green coach with much to learn, but there is no way when he was hired people thought he would be perfect. This program is heading in the right direction, it feels close to a take off. The goal should be to compete for a title every year. People need to lower expectations, even proven coaches like Ben Jacobson is unable to build an at large type team in this college environment, scheduling, losing players to P5 programs, all that is making it really hard. Mullins is doing very very well.
I'm a Mullins supporter, but some of this is pretty sunshiny. "The recruits are getting better." Are you talking about the spring portal adds, because of last year's freshman class, only D'Amico is playing off the bench and scoring little, while Wonders and Ebube ride the bench, and this year's lone true freshman, Hornecker, is also DNPing. AJ Ferguson, another recruit this year who isn't cracking the rotation.
We can hold out hope for their futures, but there's not been much tangible evidence there to feel good about.
Not everyone can play, this is a team with a bunch of upperclassmen. Just because 3 freshman, including one who broke his hand midseason are not playing does not mean the recruits are not good. Did we expect players to come in and take Jones and Domask minutes? I have a feeling Ebube would have played without the early season injury. The wanted to add vets to compete for a championship, which they are, X and Newton were excellent adds. We have built a roster on players who have been in the program, that's a good thing. Wonders, Troy and Ebube were good recruits, they will play going forward.Extend him, this thing is building. The recruits are getting better, the class balance is nearly perfect. This isn't Hinson who was building to one chance at one season with 7 seniors, this is class balance, player retention based, slow build. Mullins is still a green coach with much to learn, but there is no way when he was hired people thought he would be perfect. This program is heading in the right direction, it feels close to a take off. The goal should be to compete for a title every year. People need to lower expectations, even proven coaches like Ben Jacobson is unable to build an at large type team in this college environment, scheduling, losing players to P5 programs, all that is making it really hard. Mullins is doing very very well.
I'm a Mullins supporter, but some of this is pretty sunshiny. "The recruits are getting better." Are you talking about the spring portal adds, because of last year's freshman class, only D'Amico is playing off the bench and scoring little, while Wonders and Ebube ride the bench, and this year's lone true freshman, Hornecker, is also DNPing. AJ Ferguson, another recruit this year who isn't cracking the rotation.
We can hold out hope for their futures, but there's not been much tangible evidence there to feel good about.
I realize not everyone can play and it's a veteran team, but I think it's entirely reasonable to be disappointed a kid like Wonders has apparently not developed enough to merit time when offense and 3-point shooting have been a major weakness. This team's isn't so good and so talented that there wasn't room for younger guys with upside to make an impact, and that hasn't happened.
That's my last post along these lines: don't want to derail the thread. Mullins has done a lot of things well, especially on the player retention front, and I'm hopeful the program will continue to progress under his leadership and get SIU back to postseason play ... the sooner, the better.
I should add, I think we are in a better situation now than we were when Mullins took over for Hinson and I really do like Mullins. I think the expectations were inflated a bit after the success he had year one and that has lead to some disappointment from a starving fan base with the results the last couple years. Curious to get everyone else's thoughts on this.
I would add that from almost ALL aspects, we are in a better position than when the previous coach was here, but from a WINNING perspective we are not. We will not win as many games this regular season as we did in Year 4 as the previous coach.
The silver lining for those die hard Mullin supporters is this. After Year 1, there was actually a discussion about the potential of him leaving due to his success. That is no longer a concern, at least not in the next 5 years.
this team is now competitive with every single team in the valley and power 5 schools, that was absolutely not the case under Hinson... A simple W/L record is not always indicative. By almost every on court metric, Mullins teams are already better than Barry's year 7 team, which by the way had some of the worst class balance ever. So even if he miraculously won something, he didn't, he finished the same as Mullins year 1, the cupboard was totally bare the next season... We are better in every way under Bryan Mullins, on and off the court.I should add, I think we are in a better situation now than we were when Mullins took over for Hinson and I really do like Mullins. I think the expectations were inflated a bit after the success he had year one and that has lead to some disappointment from a starving fan base with the results the last couple years. Curious to get everyone else's thoughts on this.
I would add that from almost ALL aspects, we are in a better position than when the previous coach was here, but from a WINNING perspective we are not. We will not win as many games this regular season as we did in Year 4 as the previous coach.
The silver lining for those die hard Mullin supporters is this. After Year 1, there was actually a discussion about the potential of him leaving due to his success. That is no longer a concern, at least not in the next 5 years.
To clarify, not every on court metric, but the ones that take into account the team as a whole, such as NET... Which I hate, but it is the official evaluation tool, so it matters.this team is now competitive with every single team in the valley and power 5 schools, that was absolutely not the case under Hinson... A simple W/L record is not always indicative. By almost every on court metric, Mullins teams are already better than Barry's year 7 team, which by the way had some of the worst class balance ever. So even if he miraculously won something, he didn't, he finished the same as Mullins year 1, the cupboard was totally bare the next season... We are better in every way under Bryan Mullins, on and off the court.I should add, I think we are in a better situation now than we were when Mullins took over for Hinson and I really do like Mullins. I think the expectations were inflated a bit after the success he had year one and that has lead to some disappointment from a starving fan base with the results the last couple years. Curious to get everyone else's thoughts on this.
I would add that from almost ALL aspects, we are in a better position than when the previous coach was here, but from a WINNING perspective we are not. We will not win as many games this regular season as we did in Year 4 as the previous coach.
The silver lining for those die hard Mullin supporters is this. After Year 1, there was actually a discussion about the potential of him leaving due to his success. That is no longer a concern, at least not in the next 5 years.
As I tried to say, I agree that we ARE in a much better place in almost EVERY area, just pointing out that the previous coach won more games in year 4 of his rebuild (which it was after the previous-previous coach) than Mullins will win. I would MUCH MUCH rather have Mullins than the previous coach, but at some point, wins matter. If we can't win this year with the most or 2nd most experienced team, then genuine concern should arise. Also, in my humble opinion, it's not fair to say we can compete with every Valley team today bc the league is almost unanimously though of as being significantly weaker now than back then. Regardless, lots of season left to play out so we shall see if this team rebounds or not (pun intended).
I gotcha, Not to belabor the point but when I see the likes of Ben Jacobson, who we absolutely know is a great coach, struggle to put together a team and schedule that can be an at large team and run through the valley, I just know the expectations today are different than 15 years ago. It's sad to think, but I am unsure how this league ever becomes a multi bid league again, too many quality teams that are so hard to beat at home, that on paper are tournament hope crushing losses.As I tried to say, I agree that we ARE in a much better place in almost EVERY area, just pointing out that the previous coach won more games in year 4 of his rebuild (which it was after the previous-previous coach) than Mullins will win. I would MUCH MUCH rather have Mullins than the previous coach, but at some point, wins matter. If we can't win this year with the most or 2nd most experienced team, then genuine concern should arise. Also, in my humble opinion, it's not fair to say we can compete with every Valley team today bc the league is almost unanimously though of as being significantly weaker now than back then. Regardless, lots of season left to play out so we shall see if this team rebounds or not (pun intended).
I believe this team will have more than 22 wins and have more than 11 wins in the valley and will have a long run in St LouisAs I tried to say, I agree that we ARE in a much better place in almost EVERY area, just pointing out that the previous coach won more games in year 4 of his rebuild (which it was after the previous-previous coach) than Mullins will win. I would MUCH MUCH rather have Mullins than the previous coach, but at some point, wins matter. If we can't win this year with the most or 2nd most experienced team, then genuine concern should arise. Also, in my humble opinion, it's not fair to say we can compete with every Valley team today bc the league is almost unanimously though of as being significantly weaker now than back then. Regardless, lots of season left to play out so we shall see if this team rebounds or not (pun intended).
