Gene Teague was a Lowery recruit and never played for Hinson
Barbecue recruits of note:
Mamadou Seck (MVC Hon. Mention), Dantiel Daniels (MVC All-Freshman, asst coach at UTM), Desmar Jackson (MVC 2nd team), Sean O'brien (2nd team MVC), Anthony Beane (1st team MVC), Jordan Caroline (left and was all con Mountain West), Armon Fletcher (2nd team MVC, NBA G League), Sean Lloyd (MVC All-Defense), Kavion Pippen(MVC 3rd team, NBA G league)
I realize this was over twice as many years as BM, but to say BM has out- recruited Barbecue is very questionable at this point. Hopefully the next couple of years will prove otherwise.
Seck, Jackson and Daniels were all Lowery recruits. Daniels didn't even play for BBQ so that's a ridiculous name to include. I guess you could say Seck was re-recruited by the staff. Jackson sat out Lowery's last year and stayed so if you want to say he was re-recruited, okay. Beane was only here b/c of his Dad so not like you won a recruiting battle there. Caroline was a big get, but they couldn't hold on to him so all conference on another team doesn't really mean much.
I don't know that Mullins is hitting out of the park, but he has had some pretty high profile recruits come here and two really big ones stay for four years. You can argue that development has been an issue and I'd have no problem with that statement at least for some of these guys, but I think the talent brought in has been better than BBQ.
Mullins did not recruit Lance Jones - Hinson did.
Daniels played in 2011 (Lowery) and 2012, Hinson's first year. Guess he was a Lowery recruit. I remember Hinson trying very hard to keep him after his sophomore year, but one year of Barbeque sauce was enough for DD I guess. Went to Colorado State. DD was our 3rd leading scorer under Hinson, behind Desmar Jackson and Jeff Early. Good rebounder for his size but nearly as good as Jeff Early.
Think Hinson recruited Gene Teague, who turned out to be a good player for Seton Hall.
Hinson had too many recruits who were D2 talent, but the good players he recruited or kept were really good... he also recruited Lance Jones.
Mullins has not recruited better than Barbeque at this point IMO.
Well if Hinson gets credit for Seck, Daniels, and Jackson then Mullins gets credit for Jones.
Point taken on Daniels sophomore year. SIU website only lists his 11-12 year for some reason and I honestly don’t remember him playing that year. Try to block out those years.
Teague was definitely Lowery not Hinson.
I respectfully disagree on recruiting…on developing talent, so far feels like Hinson unfortunately.
The fact they are reaching out to bigs in the portal tells me Wonders is not the last to leave
The fact they are reaching out to bigs in the portal tells me Wonders is not the last to leave
I am numb about it at this point.
However, it’s going to be great to see everyone irrationally excited in the next few months for every player we sign.
@siu_2011 Daniels was definitely a Lowery recruit. I think it's interesting that Daniels is not listed on the roster in 2012. I'm betting the Hinson was miffed that he left so he had him removed but look at the box scores and look at the stats for 2012.
On the other hand, if you look back through the years there's definitely some missing information on the website.
Still in my opinion Hinson recruited just as good as Mullins has so far. Although not all conference, guys like Jeff Early, Mike Rodriguez would have played a lot on Mullins team this year.
Hope BM changes that.
The fact they are reaching out to bigs in the portal tells me Wonders is not the last to leave
I really hope you're wrong. I want to keep all 3 of those big guys. Won't be a bit surprised if you're right though.
I hope everyone enjoyed our hey day in the mid 2000s while we could because we will never see another run like that again. This is all hypothetical of course but if the portal and NIL was a thing from 2000-2008…
Does Kent Williams make it four years as a Saluki? After his first two years, I’m sure he could have jumped high major easily and played in the Big Ten. Remember they went 16-14 Weber’s third year here. Williams at least could’ve transferred out after his junior year and taking us to the Sweet 16 and he had made his name. Would have anyone blamed him? A chance to play high major as a senior? Maybe make some money? Maybe get a real shot at the NBA if he was all conference in a bigger conference? What else would he had left to do here? With the portal he would have been automatically eligible and not had to sit. Remember this was when our facility was a dump and we didn’t get much national TV time.
On down the line…would have Dearman hung around after his big breakout NCAA run? What about Brooks his senior year? He tested draft waters as it was. Hairston, Tatum, Young, Falker, Shaw…the list goes on.
If those guys jump ship does Weber stick here longer and ever get the shot without that special group to go high major on to U of I? How would the portal change Painter getting a year here and then jumping to Purdue? Lowery may not inherit the class he did and catch lightning in the bottle.
Hell, Mullins’ last two seasons here were kind of duds. He was a part of the failed season with Dillard, Roundtree, Hare and Booker. After Shaw and Falker graduated in ‘08, maybe he would have preferred to hop in the portal before having to share the rock with Dillard and that disaster class.
How history would have changed. Even the valley as a whole during the glory does. Any chance Wichita hangs on to Van Fleet and Baker if the portal was a thing? Does Korver play at Creighton 4 years? Or McDermott? Does Mullins go to the Final 4 with Loyola or would have the portal snatched up Krutwig and others?
Food for thought. Fun (and scary) to imagine if this was always the name of the game.
I feel like the portal has become a boogeyman.
Yes some players test different waters at larger schools. But talented players that don't get time at P5 schools also transfer out.
It is cyclical.
I feel like the portal has become a boogeyman.
Yes some players test different waters at larger schools. But talented players that don't get time at P5 schools also transfer out.
It is cyclical.
I don’t think it is so much about not being able to get good players in the portal as much as it is roster continuity. It’s really hard to get a team to gel and play your system when you have constant roster churn. Roster continuity or at least mostly stable (you are always going to have some sort of turnover) makes your job is a little easier because you only have to incorporate a couple guys (and they may not be contributors right away). If you have turnover like we are seeing at SIU, it’s basically a whole new team and becomes a much more difficult job, regardless of the talent level (see Missouri State).
Mullins to date had done a decent job of maintaining that continuity. If this becomes the new norm, coaches are going to have to figure out how to adapt and those that don’t will be out of jobs.
A bit of an aside, I feel like this also has an unintended impact on keeping fan interest, especially the casual fan. I feel like those fans will lose that connection you build with players over 4 or 5 years. Think about how you felt about losing Domask and Jones vs Newton. That’s not a knock on Newton, he only had one year here, just a reality of how fan’s build connections.
I am not sure if this is the proper location for the following question/comment but here goes.
It seems the general consensus here is the portal is not good for mid-major basketball, albeit with a few noted exceptions. Does anyone know if the big boys have the same feelings regarding the portal? I know Illinois has experienced considerable turnover as have several others from P5 conferences, but they seem to have an easier ability to reload. Which also has negative consequences.
And if the mid-majors and the big boys have the same feeling, is there any chance the portal will be dropped or at least significantly modified by the NCAA?
To paraphrase noted philosopher and historian of college basketball, Charles Barkley--The portal will be the ruination of college basketball!!!!
I don’t think the portal alone is the cause of the issue. I think the NCAA has been run so poorly and has been woefully unprepared to deal with the confluence of NIL along with the portal. They have provided little guidance and there are zero guardrails in place to control what we are seeing right now, which as much as they try to say it isn’t, is pay for play in college sports.
The idea that a kid could earn some extra money signing autographs or doing commercials while he’s in school doesn’t seem like a big deal. When you have billionaire alums (e.g. John Ruiz at Miami) throwing money at kids to get them to come play at their school, things start to get a little crazy…add in a free transfer year and you get this.
The portal is all about the bigs,because they run the NCAA. Its happy hunting ground to pick up the guys they missed who have proved in the subworld,and easily dispose of their recruiting mistakes. The portal will die if enough of the Big also- runs start losing their best to the perennial powerhouse Bigs. At the moment the NCAA has created the perfect world. The Dance enriches the power conferences and keeps the rest of the schools interested.
If Mullins loses any of his bigs on top of the current departures, prospects for the near future are about where we were when Hinson came in.
While the past month has been quite discouraging, on this sunny Friday I'm going to choose to keep the faith for a while longer. Mullins may be backed into a corner, on the ropes, whatever cliche you want to use, but I do believe he is a fighter and will keep working hard as best he can to regroup/put a competitive product on the floor.
Here's hoping some good news starts flowing Southern's way in the near future, both on the recruiting and assistant coach fronts.
While the past month has been quite discouraging, on this sunny Friday I'm going to choose to keep the faith for a while longer. Mullins may be backed into a corner, on the ropes, whatever cliche you want to use, but I do believe he is a fighter and will keep working hard as best he can to regroup/put a competitive product on the floor.
Here's hoping some good news starts flowing Southern's way in the near future, both on the recruiting and assistant coach fronts.
Hopefully that is the case, but his situation is not conducive to either of those things. If he's able to put together a competitive roster, I'll be very surprised.
I’ve noticed a new trend of some mid and low majors promoting on social media where their transfers end up out of the portal. Like using it as a recruitment tool for guys who are under recruited in high school to come there, make a name and transfer on. If Marcus ends up going Power 5, that may be a tool that Mullins and Co use for recruitment, almost similar to how strong JUCO and AAU programs promote their connections and how they get guys ready to move up. It’s a sad reality but mid majors may have to embrace being the AAA of college basketball in order to survive.
