Watch the D1 360 presentation. It makes it pretty clear IMO what two schools should be next here.
None. 😁
Watch the D1 360 presentation. It makes it pretty clear IMO what two schools should be next here.
None. 😁
Can you share the link to the D1 360 presentation?
Watch the D1 360 presentation. It makes it pretty clear IMO what two schools should be next here.
None. 😁
Can you share the link to the D1 360 presentation?
MVC stuff starts at like 4:06
This guy does some great research, probably better than the MVC Presidents unfortunately. One thing is clear - UMKC should not be in the MVC currently - maybe 5 - 10 years down the road.
UIC is a must IMO. Murray State is a must. 12 is a good number and with Belmont, that keeps the MVC as a strong basketball league.
The OVC has lost E. Kentucky and Jacksonville St, two of their better football programs. You do wonder about the future of football in that league. EIU used to be good but they're downright awful since Jimmy Gar and Dino Babers left.
14 schools is too many - don't need UTA and UNK. Just dilutes the money pool.
Not censorship tired of endless dribble and speculation the posters on this thread have opinions no facts talk to me when we have concrete news
What is this chat group if not mostly opinions? I certainly don't like or agree with every opinion on here, but I'm not asking to shut it down because I'm tired of reading BleacherBum's rants. Don't read it, ignore it, refute it, whatever.
The future of the MVC is at stake. I think it's important and/or interesting to see what other people are thinking.
others are thinking that they are tired of your hard on for redneck u. you have very low standards. you have yet to refute anything he has said. msu is substandard academically, athletically and financially to almost every school in this league. believe it or not, this conference is about more than a single sport. and msu has nothing more than a handful of ncaa wins in that sport. they offer close to nothing to this league. almost all of their teams will finish 11th out of 10. the mvc will survive without them. msu isn't the future. it's ancient history.
"Murray State has competed in 17 NCAA Tournaments and 8 NITs. Most of that occurred since 1988, as MSU has made 21 postseason appearances since that time. Since 2010, the Racers have played in 5 NCAA Tournaments, two NITs and won a CIT title. In 2010, Murray was seeded 13th at the big dance and beat 4th seeded Vanderbilt before losing by 2 to eventual national runners up Butler. In 2012 a 6th seeded Murray made it to round two, and in 2019 a 12th seeded Racer squad beat 5th seeded Marquette before losing to Florida State. The list of recent Murray State head coaches includes Mick Cronin, Billy Kennedy and Steve Prohm. Their all-time record is 1,675-917. Famous alums include current NBA players Ja Morant and Cameron Payne. Those are just two of the nine guys who have been drafted to the NBA out of MSU. The team is extremely well-supported as well. Murray State fans traditionally take over the Ohio Valley Tournament and would likely bring a large contingent to Arch Madness in St. Louis. Their average attendance of 4,887 would have been third best among Valley schools in 2019-20."
There's some facts for you. They have a better NCAA record than any MVC team not named Loyola or Belmont - and far more appearances than Loyola. Would be a great addition to this basketball dominant league. BOING! OOPS my zipper just broke! LOL
The number of games played in the NCAA is the wrong metric to focus upon. The percentage of wins is much more indicative of the strength of the program. They actually have a worse NCAA record than most of the MVC teams based upon winning percentage. In fact, if you look at teams that have been to the Dance 10 or more times, they have one of the worst records, based on winning percentage, in D1 basketball. Their winning percentage is 1/2 that of SIU. The reason they have been to the NCAA 17 times is..... they play in the OVC! It is foolish to extrapolate those numbers and presume they will perform the same in the MVC. And, might those attendance numbers be influenced by Ja Morant playing his final season there?
You can rationalize all you want. Murray State has been a very good mid-major basketball program for years with a great following (considering they're located in hillbilly heaven) and that will continue.
All-time series with SIU is 19 - 19.
In fact, if they were in a better league (MVC), I think their fandom would increase - maybe even get the moonshiners to sneak out of their dark hollow to come to a game!
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You can rationalize all you want. Murray State has been a very good mid-major basketball program for years with a great following (considering they're located in hillbilly heaven) and that will continue.
All-time series with SIU is 19 - 19.
In fact, if they were in a better league (MVC), I think their fandom would increase - maybe even get the moonshiners to sneak out of their dark hollow to come to a game!
@mr_woogers, are you really Bette Midler?
“The best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores.”
-- Al McGuire
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You can rationalize all you want. Murray State has been a very good mid-major basketball program for years with a great following (considering they're located in hillbilly heaven) and that will continue.
All-time series with SIU is 19 - 19.
In fact, if they were in a better league (MVC), I think their fandom would increase - maybe even get the moonshiners to sneak out of their dark hollow to come to a game!
@mr_woogers, are you really Bette Midler?
you can rationalize it all you want too. the leagues presidents have repeatedly rejected them.
that is a fact and not your opinion on one men's sport. it's about more than that.
Drake Belmont valpo Bradley Evansville and others in this league are in a different academic stratosphere.
All-time series with SIU is 19 - 19.
in what sport? get it through your head that this isn't all about one sport. are you another one hoping SIU becomes completely irrelevant in the region. good thing no one at siu listens to you. might as well add siue and semo, too.
All-time series with SIU is 19 - 19.
in what sport? get it through your head that this isn't all about one sport. are you another one hoping SIU becomes completely irrelevant in the region. good thing no one at siu listens to you. might as well add siue and semo, too.
The MVC makes their money on basketball, who cares about the other sports? They should be adding the best basketball schools possible regardless of what they do in softball/baseball, etc. And SIUe and SEMO aren't remotely comparable to Murray State when it comes to basketball.
The only school I’m adamant about is UIC. Big research school, in UI System, reestablishes link to Chicago market, would be the largest endowment school with the highest academic standards in the MVC. I do want assurances they will invest more into intercollegiate athletics. They can’t halfway do it anymore.
Murray being excluded would make other leagues that want to upgrade their basketball and are bolstered by Group of 5 Football like the Sun Belt look at them more seriously as a non-football addition. If the MVC gets leapfrogged year after year by a smaller conference, at that point it makes more sense for CBS to drop the MVC title game which is a huge source of revenue. If the MVC gets hit on revenue more by losing mens basketball revenue, then you may start to see schools like ISU Red and Missouri State look for lifeboats. That’s a dynamic that could be very bad, potentially, for the MVC. Fourtunately Dan Mahony isn’t going to make any decisions based on emotional arguments. The data here seems clear on the best two admissions. Holding at 10 is too much like the old Elgin strategy and that isn’t working anymore. Need I point out Elgin was the one who stuck us with you know who?
All-time series with SIU is 19 - 19.
in what sport? get it through your head that this isn't all about one sport. are you another one hoping SIU becomes completely irrelevant in the region. good thing no one at siu listens to you. might as well add siue and semo, too.
The MVC makes their money on basketball, who cares about the other sports? They should be adding the best basketball schools possible regardless of what they do in softball/baseball, etc. And SIUe and SEMO aren't remotely comparable to Murray State when it comes to basketball.
All the straw men are being trotted out. No one is stating that E and SEMO has a similar profile to Murray when it comes to intercollegiate athletics for that matter. Maybe only academics. The commonwealth of Kentucky doesn’t have the best track record of supporting schools not named UK/U of L. But even still the undergrad admission profile between SIU and Murray is similar, and that’s with SIU taking massive enrollment hits to have a better undergraduate admission profile so they can inflate their USNews ranking. This is the best admission profile in the history of Southern Illinois University and it is equal to Murray. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How about recruiting why add another team in the same region who will have to step up their roster to compete in the Valley we are already fighting for our lives why complicate it with Murray
How about recruiting why add another team in the same region who will have to step up their roster to compete in the Valley we are already fighting for our lives why complicate it with Murray
You want complicated, imagine SIU having to look for another conference.
All-time series with SIU is 19 - 19.
in what sport? get it through your head that this isn't all about one sport. are you another one hoping SIU becomes completely irrelevant in the region. good thing no one at siu listens to you. might as well add siue and semo, too.
The MVC makes their money on basketball, who cares about the other sports? They should be adding the best basketball schools possible regardless of what they do in softball/baseball, etc. And SIUe and SEMO aren't remotely comparable to Murray State when it comes to basketball.
All the straw men are being trotted out. No one is stating that E and SEMO has a similar profile to Murray when it comes to intercollegiate athletics for that matter. Maybe only academics. The commonwealth of Kentucky doesn’t have the best track record of supporting schools not named UK/U of L. But even still the undergrad admission profile between SIU and Murray is similar, and that’s with SIU taking massive enrollment hits to have a better undergraduate admission profile so they can inflate their USNews ranking. This is the best admission profile in the history of Southern Illinois University and it is equal to Murray. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quit being rational. Emotional arguments by Boob, Bum, and Jab are right on. Murray, a Normal School teachers college turned into state university like SIU, is no better than a JC. And their mediocre basketball program and would drag the MVC down!
The MVC should add UIC and Mizzou! That's it!
Did the MVC move headquarters to a locale where the leaves on trees are still green on December 19?
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