All-time series with SIU is 19 - 19.
in what sport? get it through your head that this isn't all about one sport. are you another one hoping SIU becomes completely irrelevant in the region. good thing no one at siu listens to you. might as well add siue and semo, too.
The MVC makes their money on basketball, who cares about the other sports? They should be adding the best basketball schools possible regardless of what they do in softball/baseball, etc. And SIUe and SEMO aren't remotely comparable to Murray State when it comes to basketball.
All the straw men are being trotted out. No one is stating that E and SEMO has a similar profile to Murray when it comes to intercollegiate athletics for that matter. Maybe only academics. The commonwealth of Kentucky doesn’t have the best track record of supporting schools not named UK/U of L. But even still the undergrad admission profile between SIU and Murray is similar, and that’s with SIU taking massive enrollment hits to have a better undergraduate admission profile so they can inflate their USNews ranking. This is the best admission profile in the history of Southern Illinois University and it is equal to Murray. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quit being rational. Emotional arguments by Boob, Bum, and Jab are right on. Murray, a Normal School teachers college turned into state university like SIU, is no better than a JC. And their mediocre basketball program and would drag the MVC down!
The MVC should add UIC and Mizzou! That's it!
I can’t control what other people say, I can only control what I say. But if people want to keep on keeping on trotting out the straw men, then they need to roll with the punches when they get called on it. Even if I was against Murray coming in instead of being indifferent but OK with it if the other college presidents vote them in, I’d be using different arguments than what is being used on this message board. If the people arguing against Murray can’t figure it out, part of me would rather just rather let the bad arguments flop instead of hinting at how to argue against the Racers coming in.
All-time series with SIU is 19 - 19.
in what sport? get it through your head that this isn't all about one sport. are you another one hoping SIU becomes completely irrelevant in the region. good thing no one at siu listens to you. might as well add siue and semo, too.
The MVC makes their money on basketball, who cares about the other sports? They should be adding the best basketball schools possible regardless of what they do in softball/baseball, etc. And SIUe and SEMO aren't remotely comparable to Murray State when it comes to basketball.
All the straw men are being trotted out. No one is stating that E and SEMO has a similar profile to Murray when it comes to intercollegiate athletics for that matter. Maybe only academics. The commonwealth of Kentucky doesn’t have the best track record of supporting schools not named UK/U of L. But even still the undergrad admission profile between SIU and Murray is similar, and that’s with SIU taking massive enrollment hits to have a better undergraduate admission profile so they can inflate their USNews ranking. This is the best admission profile in the history of Southern Illinois University and it is equal to Murray. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quit being rational. Emotional arguments by Boob, Bum, and Jab are right on. Murray, a Normal School teachers college turned into state university like SIU, is no better than a JC. And their mediocre basketball program and would drag the MVC down!
The MVC should add UIC and Mizzou! That's it!
I've heard Vanderbilt and Tulane have applied for MVC membership! Not quite up to MVC academic standards though!
I'm being facetious of course! Boobeze and his pals have a soft on for Murray! LOL
Genuinely curious what you consider "diverse"? The United State is not a particularly diverse country in general(being kind, it is actually towards the bottom of most diversity indexes).
That said SIU and Murray State have the same % of foreign student(3%).
All-time series with SIU is 19 - 19.
in what sport? get it through your head that this isn't all about one sport. are you another one hoping SIU becomes completely irrelevant in the region. good thing no one at siu listens to you. might as well add siue and semo, too.
The MVC makes their money on basketball, who cares about the other sports? They should be adding the best basketball schools possible regardless of what they do in softball/baseball, etc. And SIUe and SEMO aren't remotely comparable to Murray State when it comes to basketball.
All the straw men are being trotted out. No one is stating that E and SEMO has a similar profile to Murray when it comes to intercollegiate athletics for that matter. Maybe only academics. The commonwealth of Kentucky doesn’t have the best track record of supporting schools not named UK/U of L. But even still the undergrad admission profile between SIU and Murray is similar, and that’s with SIU taking massive enrollment hits to have a better undergraduate admission profile so they can inflate their USNews ranking. This is the best admission profile in the history of Southern Illinois University and it is equal to Murray. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quit being rational. Emotional arguments by Boob, Bum, and Jab are right on. Murray, a Normal School teachers college turned into state university like SIU, is no better than a JC. And their mediocre basketball program and would drag the MVC down!
The MVC should add UIC and Mizzou! That's it!
I've heard Vanderbilt and Tulane have applied for MVC membership! Not quite up to MVC academic standards though!
I'm being facetious of course! Boobeze and his pals have a soft on for Murray! LOL
settle down there. sorry that i upset you so much that you have to result to name calling.
Craving a McBride Special!
Genuinely curious what you consider "diverse"? The United State is not a particularly diverse country in general(being kind, it is actually towards the bottom of most diversity indexes).
That said SIU and Murray State have the same % of foreign student(3%).
not sure what prompted that or who it is directed towards. trying not to start something here or get anyone more worked up. think more along the lines of social, economic, political, sexual, disability, cultural, racial, etc. here is siu's definition. it encompasses much more than % of foreign students. probably most mvc schools have similar defs. i know siu has had some pioneers in this area.
Craving a McBride Special!
going to avoid the obvious and go with a neutral school highly rated for it's diverse population. don't want to hurt feelings of our more sensitive posters. don't know if this is a quality site or not. it was near the top of the yahoo search.
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-illinois-at-chicago/student-life/diversity/
Craving a McBride Special!
All-time series with SIU is 19 - 19.
in what sport? get it through your head that this isn't all about one sport. are you another one hoping SIU becomes completely irrelevant in the region. good thing no one at siu listens to you. might as well add siue and semo, too.
The MVC makes their money on basketball, who cares about the other sports? They should be adding the best basketball schools possible regardless of what they do in softball/baseball, etc. And SIUe and SEMO aren't remotely comparable to Murray State when it comes to basketball.
All the straw men are being trotted out. No one is stating that E and SEMO has a similar profile to Murray when it comes to intercollegiate athletics for that matter. Maybe only academics. The commonwealth of Kentucky doesn’t have the best track record of supporting schools not named UK/U of L. But even still the undergrad admission profile between SIU and Murray is similar, and that’s with SIU taking massive enrollment hits to have a better undergraduate admission profile so they can inflate their USNews ranking. This is the best admission profile in the history of Southern Illinois University and it is equal to Murray. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quit being rational. Emotional arguments by Boob, Bum, and Jab are right on. Murray, a Normal School teachers college turned into state university like SIU, is no better than a JC. And their mediocre basketball program and would drag the MVC down!
The MVC should add UIC and Mizzou! That's it!
I can’t control what other people say, I can only control what I say. But if people want to keep on keeping on trotting out the straw men, then they need to roll with the punches when they get called on it. Even if I was against Murray coming in instead of being indifferent but OK with it if the other college presidents vote them in, I’d be using different arguments than what is being used on this message board. If the people arguing against Murray can’t figure it out, part of me would rather just rather let the bad arguments flop instead of hinting at how to argue against the Racers coming in.
2 comments. Let the arguments flop around as much as you want. The valley has been a hard no on them the last several expansions. Don't get mad at me because you arguments are floppy. you can't refute that fact.
As to woogers and his tantrum. You might want shift your argument about dragging down a conference. Its pretty weak considering the current reality.
talk about a floppy argument
Which conference is about to fold with Murray and their superstar men's basketball team?
Despite you feeling that Murray has Big 10 qualifications, they have done a fine job at dragging down the OVC.
They are a rat on a sinking ship.
they are such a hot commodity that they can't find a home.
Thiis factory of NBA talent hasn't been such a boon that it saved the OVC, but suddenly we are are to listen to you and believe they will 'save' the MVC?
tune down your drama.
Get off Doug elgins back too.
Expansion WAS NOT UP TO HIM.
He couldve sat on top of the Gateway Arch and proclaimed a 32 team league. It wouldnt have mattered one bit.
Why is that so difficult to understand?
Actually not exactly true. Doug lead the Valley. If he recommended expansion the league would have considered it and most likely proceeded.
Actually not exactly true. Doug lead the Valley. If he recommended expansion the league would have considered it and most likely proceeded.
I know what you are saying but he was an employee of the membership.
He didnt have unilateral power to do whatever he wanted.
Its not fair to blame him for something that ultimately isnt his decision.
He lasted a very long time with the conference which means a lot of often changing university leadership were very happy with what he was doing.
Are there any interviews with him expressing his view on expansion?
I really don't know his stance but I have a hard time thinking he would have lasted 30 years by refusing to expand if those were his marching orders.
I see an expansion easter egg on the site.
Do you know something barkeep?
Why whatever are you talking about ?
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it is an educated guess. Please don’t ruin it. Let folks find it on their own.
All-time series with SIU is 19 - 19.
in what sport? get it through your head that this isn't all about one sport. are you another one hoping SIU becomes completely irrelevant in the region. good thing no one at siu listens to you. might as well add siue and semo, too.
The MVC makes their money on basketball, who cares about the other sports? They should be adding the best basketball schools possible regardless of what they do in softball/baseball, etc. And SIUe and SEMO aren't remotely comparable to Murray State when it comes to basketball.
All the straw men are being trotted out. No one is stating that E and SEMO has a similar profile to Murray when it comes to intercollegiate athletics for that matter. Maybe only academics. The commonwealth of Kentucky doesn’t have the best track record of supporting schools not named UK/U of L. But even still the undergrad admission profile between SIU and Murray is similar, and that’s with SIU taking massive enrollment hits to have a better undergraduate admission profile so they can inflate their USNews ranking. This is the best admission profile in the history of Southern Illinois University and it is equal to Murray. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quit being rational. Emotional arguments by Boob, Bum, and Jab are right on. Murray, a Normal School teachers college turned into state university like SIU, is no better than a JC. And their mediocre basketball program and would drag the MVC down!
The MVC should add UIC and Mizzou! That's it!
I can’t control what other people say, I can only control what I say. But if people want to keep on keeping on trotting out the straw men, then they need to roll with the punches when they get called on it. Even if I was against Murray coming in instead of being indifferent but OK with it if the other college presidents vote them in, I’d be using different arguments than what is being used on this message board. If the people arguing against Murray can’t figure it out, part of me would rather just rather let the bad arguments flop instead of hinting at how to argue against the Racers coming in.
2 comments. Let the arguments flop around as much as you want. The valley has been a hard no on them the last several expansions. Don't get mad at me because you arguments are floppy. you can't refute that fact.
As to woogers and his tantrum. You might want shift your argument about dragging down a conference. Its pretty weak considering the current reality.
talk about a floppy argument
Which conference is about to fold with Murray and their superstar men's basketball team?
Despite you feeling that Murray has Big 10 qualifications, they have done a fine job at dragging down the OVC.
They are a rat on a sinking ship.
they are such a hot commodity that they can't find a home.
Thiis factory of NBA talent hasn't been such a boon that it saved the OVC, but suddenly we are are to listen to you and believe they will 'save' the MVC?
tune down your drama.
My arguments were never "floppy". I was simply looking at the positives and negatives and you didn't want to acknowledge there were positives.
Murray isn't one of the schools dragging down the OVC, that would be schools like EIEIU, ScrEEMO, etc. Just because the Valley, which has its own issues right now, has turned Murray down in the past, doesn't mean that it's a future "no" all the time.
Do we need to look at the past when the OVC tried to be selective turning down Northern Kentucky and North Alabama? How is that currently working for the OVC? Pretty poorly. Sure, they got UALR, but that's a school that's a notch above Chicago State, which has also been rumored for the OVC.
Honestly, Murray is the least of the OVC's problems. With Peay out of there, Murray is near the top of OVC enrollment and endowment, and they currently have the largest athletic budget there. If they don't go to the MVC, they'll just boost up the basketball of the ASUN which is in much better footing than the OVC right now. To say they would go down with the sinking ship there is inaccurate.
If you want to make arguments against Murray, great, maybe you should make factual arguments college presidents might take credence of.
2 comments. Let the arguments flop around as much as you want. The valley has been a hard no on them the last several expansions. Don't get mad at me because you arguments are floppy. you can't refute that fact.
As to woogers and his tantrum. You might want shift your argument about dragging down a conference. Its pretty weak considering the current reality.
talk about a floppy argument
Which conference is about to fold with Murray and their superstar men's basketball team?
Despite you feeling that Murray has Big 10 qualifications, they have done a fine job at dragging down the OVC.
They are a rat on a sinking ship.
they are such a hot commodity that they can't find a home.
Thiis factory of NBA talent hasn't been such a boon that it saved the OVC, but suddenly we are are to listen to you and believe they will 'save' the MVC?
tune down your drama.
My arguments were never "floppy". I was simply looking at the positives and negatives and you didn't want to acknowledge there were positives.
Murray isn't one of the schools dragging down the OVC, that would be schools like EIEIU, ScrEEMO, etc. Just because the Valley, which has its own issues right now, has turned Murray down in the past, doesn't mean that it's a future "no" all the time.
Do we need to look at the past when the OVC tried to be selective turning down Northern Kentucky and North Alabama? How is that currently working for the OVC? Pretty poorly. Sure, they got UALR, but that's a school that's a notch above Chicago State, which has also been rumored for the OVC.
Honestly, Murray is the least of the OVC's problems. With Peay out of there, Murray is near the top of OVC enrollment and endowment, and they currently have the largest athletic budget there. If they don't go to the MVC, they'll just boost up the basketball of the ASUN which is in much better footing than the OVC right now. To say they would go down with the sinking ship there is inaccurate.
If you want to make arguments against Murray, great, maybe you should make factual arguments college presidents might take credence of.
I never said there were no positives.
I believe I said your view was myopic, or maybe that was woogers.
You have been more rational.
I've got no problem letting them come back to the table if they have anything new to offer.
Sure, they will jump ship before the OVC folds but the point is that they are NOT the burning commodity that some think they are. You think that is inaccurate but they are still stuck there.
No one has grabbed them up. How can you deny that?
Fine, boost up the ASUN.
Go for it.
It's meaningless.
The Missouri Valley Conference has survived 100+ years without Murray State and will continue to do so.
Why whatever are you talking about ?
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it is an educated guess. Please don’t ruin it. Let folks find it on their own.
You guys are very slick with your Easter eggs!!
