I wish we were more in a school like St. Thomas in St. Paul, (snipped)
We'd be able to get a great deal on a KIA in the Twin-cities.
“The best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores.”
-- Al McGuire
The biggest issue is that the MVC in its current configuration needs major changes or it will fall apart. If we were still in a stronger position than Murray, I’d be of the same position as Kill was. Also remember just because the MVFC rejected Murray in the past, does not mean that the same chain of events will occur again. Yes, Murray’s market sucks. So does ours. What we need is to have SIU be strong again, and for donors to step up and actually financially support the school as opposed to talking a good game and not doing anything financially in reality. If we were as strong as the old Valley with Wichita and Creighton, we would be able to stay at 10. That Valley is gone and the lack of action by people like Elgin has really hurt.
As far as past bad and dirty play by Murray in football, that staff is long gone. I don’t see how that is relevant. Same goes with their fans. I think a lot of the fear here is from people who are rightfully scared SIU loses whatever footing it has left to keep students from leaving the region. News flash: outside Marion and Carbondale that exodus has been occurring for many years. That’s a big reason why SIU enrollment is in the tank. Seeing that our footing over Murray is flimsy at best is simply acknowledging reality. It isn’t bashing SIU as a university. It’s acknowledging that we need to be better and make SIU better. I remember when SIU at least tried to make big plans. Now it seems like we’re just trying to survive. It’s sad. We need out of this defensive mentality.
Not censorship tired of endless dribble and speculation the posters on this thread have opinions no facts talk to me when we have concrete news
What is this chat group if not mostly opinions? I certainly don't like or agree with every opinion on here, but I'm not asking to shut it down because I'm tired of reading BleacherBum's rants. Don't read it, ignore it, refute it, whatever.
The future of the MVC is at stake. I think it's important and/or interesting to see what other people are thinking.
The biggest issue is that the MVC in its current configuration needs major changes or it will fall apart. If we were still in a stronger position than Murray, I’d be of the same position as Kill was. Also remember just because the MVFC rejected Murray in the past, does not mean that the same chain of events will occur again. Yes, Murray’s market sucks. So does ours. What we need is to have SIU be strong again, and for donors to step up and actually financially support the school as opposed to talking a good game and not doing anything financially in reality. If we were as strong as the old Valley with Wichita and Creighton, we would be able to stay at 10. That Valley is gone and the lack of action by people like Elgin has really hurt.
As far as past bad and dirty play by Murray in football, that staff is long gone. I don’t see how that is relevant. Same goes with their fans. I think a lot of the fear here is from people who are rightfully scared SIU loses whatever footing it has left to keep students from leaving the region. News flash: outside Marion and Carbondale that exodus has been occurring for many years. That’s a big reason why SIU enrollment is in the tank. Seeing that our footing over Murray is flimsy at best is simply acknowledging reality. It isn’t bashing SIU as a university. It’s acknowledging that we need to be better and make SIU better. I remember when SIU at least tried to make big plans. Now it seems like we’re just trying to survive. It’s sad. We need out of this defensive mentality.
Once again The MVCF voted a couple months ago and Murray is not invited. That’s it. That’s actual fact I don’t know how else I have to say it
The biggest issue is that the MVC in its current configuration needs major changes or it will fall apart. If we were still in a stronger position than Murray, I’d be of the same position as Kill was. Also remember just because the MVFC rejected Murray in the past, does not mean that the same chain of events will occur again. Yes, Murray’s market sucks. So does ours. What we need is to have SIU be strong again, and for donors to step up and actually financially support the school as opposed to talking a good game and not doing anything financially in reality. If we were as strong as the old Valley with Wichita and Creighton, we would be able to stay at 10. That Valley is gone and the lack of action by people like Elgin has really hurt.
As far as past bad and dirty play by Murray in football, that staff is long gone. I don’t see how that is relevant. Same goes with their fans. I think a lot of the fear here is from people who are rightfully scared SIU loses whatever footing it has left to keep students from leaving the region. News flash: outside Marion and Carbondale that exodus has been occurring for many years. That’s a big reason why SIU enrollment is in the tank. Seeing that our footing over Murray is flimsy at best is simply acknowledging reality. It isn’t bashing SIU as a university. It’s acknowledging that we need to be better and make SIU better. I remember when SIU at least tried to make big plans. Now it seems like we’re just trying to survive. It’s sad. We need out of this defensive mentality.
Once again The MVCF voted a couple months ago and Murray is not invited. That’s it. That’s actual fact I don’t know how else I have to say it
And yet Murray is presenting their case this weekend?? Maybe the MVFC rejection is not a deal breaker?
A very good analysis of possible schools, including St. Thomas, Milwaukee, Wright State, UTA, UMKC, Omaha, Murray, UIC, and Northern Kentucky.
https://www.missourivalleybeat.com/post/mvc-expansion-candidate-profiles
IF Murray got rejected by the Dakota schools, then that just backs up that the MVC and MVFC are on divergent paths. That adds to the instability of the MVC.
I honestly don’t care what happens with Murray either way but some of you should be careful what you wish for. The unintended consequences could be very bad.
Not censorship tired of endless dribble and speculation the posters on this thread have opinions no facts talk to me when we have concrete news
What is this chat group if not mostly opinions? I certainly don't like or agree with every opinion on here, but I'm not asking to shut it down because I'm tired of reading BleacherBum's rants. Don't read it, ignore it, refute it, whatever.
The future of the MVC is at stake. I think it's important and/or interesting to see what other people are thinking.
others are thinking that they are tired of your hard on for redneck u. you have very low standards. you have yet to refute anything he has said. msu is substandard academically, athletically and financially to almost every school in this league. believe it or not, this conference is about more than a single sport. and msu has nothing more than a handful of ncaa wins in that sport. they offer close to nothing to this league. almost all of their teams will finish 11th out of 10. the mvc will survive without them. msu isn't the future. it's ancient history.
Craving a McBride Special!
Not censorship tired of endless dribble and speculation the posters on this thread have opinions no facts talk to me when we have concrete news
What is this chat group if not mostly opinions? I certainly don't like or agree with every opinion on here, but I'm not asking to shut it down because I'm tired of reading BleacherBum's rants. Don't read it, ignore it, refute it, whatever.
The future of the MVC is at stake. I think it's important and/or interesting to see what other people are thinking.
others are thinking that they are tired of your hard on for redneck u. you have very low standards. you have yet to refute anything he has said. msu is substandard academically, athletically and financially to almost every school in this league. believe it or not, this conference is about more than a single sport. and msu has nothing more than a handful of ncaa wins in that sport. they offer close to nothing to this league. almost all of their teams will finish 11th out of 10. the mvc will survive without them. msu isn't the future. it's ancient history.
Good lord. Talk about overplaying your hand. 🙄
Not censorship tired of endless dribble and speculation the posters on this thread have opinions no facts talk to me when we have concrete news
What is this chat group if not mostly opinions? I certainly don't like or agree with every opinion on here, but I'm not asking to shut it down because I'm tired of reading BleacherBum's rants. Don't read it, ignore it, refute it, whatever.
The future of the MVC is at stake. I think it's important and/or interesting to see what other people are thinking.
others are thinking that they are tired of your hard on for redneck u. you have very low standards. you have yet to refute anything he has said. msu is substandard academically, athletically and financially to almost every school in this league. believe it or not, this conference is about more than a single sport. and msu has nothing more than a handful of ncaa wins in that sport. they offer close to nothing to this league. almost all of their teams will finish 11th out of 10. the mvc will survive without them. msu isn't the future. it's ancient history.
The MVC is a basketball conference and Murray State 100% would be a valuable asset to the conference. They've had numerous NBA players drafted in the first round over the past decade and they've become a name brand for mid-majors. They'd be 2nd in the MVC in KenPom behind just Loyola Chicago (and Belmont if you include them) and they've had a ton of sustained success the last decade despite multiple coaching changes.
It seems like a foregone conclusion that the Valley is going to expand and Murray State sounds a hell of a lot better than UT Arlington, UMKC, and Nebraska Omaha.
Not censorship tired of endless dribble and speculation the posters on this thread have opinions no facts talk to me when we have concrete news
What is this chat group if not mostly opinions? I certainly don't like or agree with every opinion on here, but I'm not asking to shut it down because I'm tired of reading BleacherBum's rants. Don't read it, ignore it, refute it, whatever.
The future of the MVC is at stake. I think it's important and/or interesting to see what other people are thinking.
others are thinking that they are tired of your hard on for redneck u. you have very low standards. you have yet to refute anything he has said. msu is substandard academically, athletically and financially to almost every school in this league. believe it or not, this conference is about more than a single sport. and msu has nothing more than a handful of ncaa wins in that sport. they offer close to nothing to this league. almost all of their teams will finish 11th out of 10. the mvc will survive without them. msu isn't the future. it's ancient history.
"Murray State has competed in 17 NCAA Tournaments and 8 NITs. Most of that occurred since 1988, as MSU has made 21 postseason appearances since that time. Since 2010, the Racers have played in 5 NCAA Tournaments, two NITs and won a CIT title. In 2010, Murray was seeded 13th at the big dance and beat 4th seeded Vanderbilt before losing by 2 to eventual national runners up Butler. In 2012 a 6th seeded Murray made it to round two, and in 2019 a 12th seeded Racer squad beat 5th seeded Marquette before losing to Florida State. The list of recent Murray State head coaches includes Mick Cronin, Billy Kennedy and Steve Prohm. Their all-time record is 1,675-917. Famous alums include current NBA players Ja Morant and Cameron Payne. Those are just two of the nine guys who have been drafted to the NBA out of MSU. The team is extremely well-supported as well. Murray State fans traditionally take over the Ohio Valley Tournament and would likely bring a large contingent to Arch Madness in St. Louis. Their average attendance of 4,887 would have been third best among Valley schools in 2019-20."
There's some facts for you. They have a better NCAA record than any MVC team not named Loyola or Belmont - and far more appearances than Loyola. Would be a great addition to this basketball dominant league. BOING! OOPS my zipper just broke! LOL
@mr_woogers Facts about expansion and who it is not about your man crush jeez what don't you understand
A very good analysis of possible schools, including St. Thomas, Milwaukee, Wright State, UTA, UMKC, Omaha, Murray, UIC, and Northern Kentucky.
https://www.missourivalleybeat.com/post/mvc-expansion-candidate-profiles
This was very informative. To me it confirms what I feel should be the top three. UIC, N Kentucky, and Wisconsin Milwaukee.
