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(@morris-saluki)
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https://dailyegyptian.com/82358/news/usg-passes-resolution-to-make-campus-use-100-percent-renewable-energy/

The university is facing closure and this is the most important area needing attention they can find????

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Barkeep 1967
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Sounds about right these days 


   
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rabidsaluki
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Remember -

They're students, not realists. Wait until they turn 30, have a mortgage, have a car payment and have a kid or two in tow, then they'll realize what the world is about. 

Assuming they get "The Big Picture" by then.  

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(@fraydog)
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No.

Look at the cost of wind and solar power rapidly decreasing and the cost of coal going up. Unlike the past, there’s a business case for renewable energy here this time around. 

As far as the whole “wait until they have to pay bills” logic, that has nothing to do with this. 


   
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Posted by: Fraydog

No.

Look at the cost of wind and solar power rapidly decreasing and the cost of coal going up. Unlike the past, there’s a business case for renewable energy here this time around. 

As far as the whole “wait until they have to pay bills” logic, that has nothing to do with this. 

Let's just skip the BS.

Photovoltaic cells require a staggering variety of rare earth minerals to build, one of the most important of which is silver. Given current technology (and assuming 20% efficiency), we’d need to cover an area the size of Spain in solar panels to generate enough electricity to meet our global electricity demands by 2030. This is a lot of land, which would be better off being farmed, or preserved.But even if we wanted to build that many solar panels, we couldn’t do it—there’s simply not enough silver in the world.

Let's go to the safest supplement to coal.oil.gas...nuclear energy.

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Posted by: carrcar
Posted by: Fraydog

No.

Look at the cost of wind and solar power rapidly decreasing and the cost of coal going up. Unlike the past, there’s a business case for renewable energy here this time around. 

As far as the whole “wait until they have to pay bills” logic, that has nothing to do with this. 

Let's just skip the BS.

Photovoltaic cells require a staggering variety of rare earth minerals to build, one of the most important of which is silver. Given current technology (and assuming 20% efficiency), we’d need to cover an area the size of Spain in solar panels to generate enough electricity to meet our global electricity demands by 2030. This is a lot of land, which would be better off being farmed, or preserved.But even if we wanted to build that many solar panels, we couldn’t do it—there’s simply not enough silver in the world.

Let's go to the safest supplement to coal.oil.gas...nuclear energy.

I’m merely talking about what’s best for SIU. On a global scale, of course some nuclear power will be needed. That isn’t really relevant to my case here. 


   
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Think of it this way, Morris: There are all kinds of batsh!t crazy things going on in the country and in the world--crazy, disturbing things. And you're freaking out about some random, completely meaningless nonbinding resolution passed by a kiddie parliament at a moribund university in the Midwest. You're as much in need of getting a grip as they are. JFC... 😀

(Inflammatory political snark)


   
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Posted by: Austinsaluki

Think of it this way, Morris: There are all kinds of batsh!t crazy things going on in the country and in the world--crazy, disturbing things. And you're freaking out about some random, completely meaningless nonbinding resolution passed by a kiddie parliament at a moribund university in the Midwest. You're as much in need of getting a grip as they are. JFC... 😀

It is symptomatic of why the real issues at SIU are not being addressed.  If SIU diverting money from e is stopped in the near future, then it's close the doors time.  Their energy would be better utilized fighting to fix the university so e will want to steal money from us.

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No.

Look at the cost of wind and solar power rapidly decreasing and the cost of coal going up. Unlike the past, there’s a business case for renewable energy here this time around. 

As far as the whole “wait until they have to pay bills” logic, that has nothing to do with this. 

Let's just skip the BS.

Photovoltaic cells require a staggering variety of rare earth minerals to build, one of the most important of which is silver. Given current technology (and assuming 20% efficiency), we’d need to cover an area the size of Spain in solar panels to generate enough electricity to meet our global electricity demands by 2030. This is a lot of land, which would be better off being farmed, or preserved.But even if we wanted to build that many solar panels, we couldn’t do it—there’s simply not enough silver in the world.

Let's go to the safest supplement to coal.oil.gas...nuclear energy.

I’m merely talking about what’s best for SIU. On a global scale, of course some nuclear power will be needed. That isn’t really relevant to my case here. 

Nuclear will never be viable in the near or long term future it just costs too much. 

Ever wonder why wind doesn't compete on the open market selling power contracts?  Because it can't.  When they can't deliver power they've contracted to sell (because the wind isn't blowing at the moment) they would have to buy replacement power.  The wind is typically blowing when the demand for power is at a minimum - this is simple economics and chrony capitalism.

Back to the physical plant, they should probably go with natural gas for heat versus coal.

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Posted by: Morris Saluki
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Think of it this way, Morris: There are all kinds of batsh!t crazy things going on in the country and in the world--crazy, disturbing things. And you're freaking out about some random, completely meaningless nonbinding resolution passed by a kiddie parliament at a moribund university in the Midwest. You're as much in need of getting a grip as they are. JFC... 😀

It is symptomatic of why the real issues at SIU are not being addressed.  If SIU diverting money from e is stopped in the near future, then it's close the doors time.  Their energy would be better utilized fighting to fix the university so e will want to steal money from us.

The point is, if you're such a smart guy, YOUR energy would be better expended on something other than flipping out over something this meaningless. 

Go yell at a kid for having his football in your yard, you nut job.

(Inflammatory political snark)


   
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Posted by: Austinsaluki

Think of it this way, Morris: There are all kinds of batsh!t crazy things going on in the country and in the world--crazy, disturbing things. And you're freaking out about some random, completely meaningless nonbinding resolution passed by a kiddie parliament at a moribund university in the Midwest. You're as much in need of getting a grip as they are. JFC... 😀

It is symptomatic of why the real issues at SIU are not being addressed.  If SIU diverting money from e is stopped in the near future, then it's close the doors time.  Their energy would be better utilized fighting to fix the university so e will want to steal money from us.

The point is, if you're such a smart guy, YOUR energy would be better expended on something other than flipping out over something this meaningless. 

Go yell at a kid for having his football in your yard, you nut job.

I'll just keep yelling at apologists.

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(@fraydog)
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I'd still take natural gas over coal. It's not perfect but it's clearly cleaner than coal. 


   
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(@morris-saluki)
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Does the physical plant have a ready source of natural gas?  Downstate politics has made SIU and Coal locked at the hip.  There may be political reasons to keep coal.  If Natural Gas conversion won't save money, it'd be hard to justify even without politics.

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It is not a cheap easy project to convert a coal facility to natural gas. I was involved at a project in Joliet.


   
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We are broke, they should focus on operating the physical plant as cheaply as possible.

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