@cosmos Not so sure Illinois is perceived as a good place to move to. Chicago is suffering big time and as it goes, so too does the state. And don't get me started on your governor. No thanks.
Ignorance! Chicago isn't going away, and if it did, the rest of the state would suffer mightily. The Chicago metro area is increasing in population..just not the city proper. The counties in N. Illinois pay far more in taxes than they get back. The counties in S. Illinois pay far less than they receive from the state.
The previous governor tried his best to destroy the state university system and the public schools. The idiot did nothing but complain about the other party and never once presented a budget, which is required by the Governor in the Illinois Constitution. Universities (including SIU) had to borrow millions to keep running! The current gov. is a hell of a lot better for schools than that idiot.
And almost every single state in the Midwest is losing population yearly. IL, MI, WI, IN, OH, MO. People evidently want to move to AZ to experience record heat, scorpions, and rattlesnakes...or FL to experience pythons, hurricanes, and coastlines under water.
And for the retired folks, Illinois does not tax pensions or social security, unlike a lot of states. The state also gives several property tax breaks to retirees. Last year some idiot state Senator suggested taxing retirees. The current Gov said not on his watch. I like that, having paid a boatload of taxes most of my life.
I personally think IL is a great place to live and I have lived and worked in other states - great schools and the home of the Salukis!!!
@cosmos Not so sure Illinois is perceived as a good place to move to. Chicago is suffering big time and as it goes, so too does the state. And don't get me started on your governor. No thanks.
Yeah, if Illinois was perceived positively by people, our population wouldn't be in decline. We have a very bad image nationally, and within our own state. People can't wait to get out of here.
Every state in the Midwest is in a population decline.
"People can't wait to get out of here?" The Chicago Metro area is growing in population.
I know so many people who moved back here from out West - try finding a place to live in San Diego if you don't have lots of bucks.
"we have a very bad image nationally?" Says who? Completely disagree.
Years ago I moved to Colorado. Nice geography but good luck getting a good paying job! Fool's gold.
@cosmos Not so sure Illinois is perceived as a good place to move to. Chicago is suffering big time and as it goes, so too does the state. And don't get me started on your governor. No thanks.
Ignorance! Chicago isn't going away, and if it did, the rest of the state would suffer mightily. The Chicago metro area is increasing in population..just not the city proper. The counties in N. Illinois pay far more in taxes than they get back. The counties in S. Illinois pay far less than they receive from the state.
The previous governor tried his best to destroy the state university system and the public schools. The idiot did nothing but complain about the other party and never once presented a budget, which is required by the Governor in the Illinois Constitution. Universities (including SIU) had to borrow millions to keep running! The current gov. is a hell of a lot better for schools than that idiot.
And almost every single state in the Midwest is losing population yearly. IL, MI, WI, IN, OH, MO. People evidently want to move to AZ to experience record heat, scorpions, and rattlesnakes...or FL to experience pythons, hurricanes, and coastlines under water.
And for the retired folks, Illinois does not tax pensions or social security, unlike a lot of states. The state also gives several property tax breaks to retirees. Last year some idiot state Senator suggested taxing retirees. The current Gov said not on his watch. I like that, having paid a boatload of taxes most of my life.
I personally think IL is a great place to live and I have lived and worked in other states - great schools and the home of the Salukis!!!
The Chicago-bashing has gotten out of hand. There’s always been tension between Chicago and downstate, culturally and politically, but it seems to be at a high these days … guess it’s a sign of our polarized times, as Chicago has become a favorite punching bag in the right wing media ecosystem. And for the record: I also hate it when Chicago people make disparaging comments about downstate and southern Illinois. Having lived in several parts of the state over my life, there are good and crappy people and good and crappy aspects to all parts of the state. But Woogers is right that the Chicago area is indisputably the financial engine of the state.
As for enrollment, for whatever reasons, it seems like SIU has fallen off the radar for many suburban Chicago kids thinking about college, while Illinois State, Mizzou and the Big Ten schools continue to be major draws. Quite frustrating and problematic because it’s a massive population center within 5-6 hours of campus.
The reign of Rauner was a complete and total disaster. He did absolutely nothing but try to gut the retirement systems.
When I attended SIU in the early 1970’s, many of my classmates and friends were from the Chicago area. I don’t know if SIU still draws from that area like they did back then. Does anyone else remember the extra train cars being lined up at the depot before each break to take kids home to Chicago?
The number of students from the St. Louis metropolitan area attending SIU, especially the smaller towns on the east side of the river, has dropped immensely. Murray State and SEMO have replaced Southern as the place to go. Add to this the growth of Edwardsville from a commuter school to resident college and you get a big hit to SIUC’s enrollment.
@cosmos Not so sure Illinois is perceived as a good place to move to. Chicago is suffering big time and as it goes, so too does the state. And don't get me started on your governor. No thanks.
Ignorance! Chicago isn't going away, and if it did, the rest of the state would suffer mightily. The Chicago metro area is increasing in population..just not the city proper. The counties in N. Illinois pay far more in taxes than they get back. The counties in S. Illinois pay far less than they receive from the state.
The previous governor tried his best to destroy the state university system and the public schools. The idiot did nothing but complain about the other party and never once presented a budget, which is required by the Governor in the Illinois Constitution. Universities (including SIU) had to borrow millions to keep running! The current gov. is a hell of a lot better for schools than that idiot.
And almost every single state in the Midwest is losing population yearly. IL, MI, WI, IN, OH, MO. People evidently want to move to AZ to experience record heat, scorpions, and rattlesnakes...or FL to experience pythons, hurricanes, and coastlines under water.
And for the retired folks, Illinois does not tax pensions or social security, unlike a lot of states. The state also gives several property tax breaks to retirees. Last year some idiot state Senator suggested taxing retirees. The current Gov said not on his watch. I like that, having paid a boatload of taxes most of my life.
I personally think IL is a great place to live and I have lived and worked in other states - great schools and the home of the Salukis!!!
It is funny that you mention the property tax break as a perk. My neighbors (who get that senior exemption you talk about) complain mightily about their $4,000 property tax bill. Just because they get an exemption doesn’t mean it’s not still the highest freaking state around here. My property taxes are higher than my uncle in Colorado who lives in a $1.5 million house. The current governor is better for universities sure, but I can’t say he is good for anything else.
Oh and by the way, we have those rattlesnakes here too. I just saw one in my yard this summer, and I’m an hour away from the Dirty Dale. Had a black snake greet me in my garage a few weeks ago as well. That was fun…
Not every state is losing population. In a previous post you listed several, and only Michigan is losing population out of the several you mentioned. Illinois and Michigan... the only two. And, just fyi, the Chicago metro area, which you claim in growing, has lost over 180,000 people in the last three years according the the U.S. Census Bureau. Not sure where you get your numbers.@cosmos Not so sure Illinois is perceived as a good place to move to. Chicago is suffering big time and as it goes, so too does the state. And don't get me started on your governor. No thanks.
Yeah, if Illinois was perceived positively by people, our population wouldn't be in decline. We have a very bad image nationally, and within our own state. People can't wait to get out of here.
Every state in the Midwest is in a population decline.
"People can't wait to get out of here?" The Chicago Metro area is growing in population.
I know so many people who moved back here from out West - try finding a place to live in San Diego if you don't have lots of bucks.
"we have a very bad image nationally?" Says who? Completely disagree.
Years ago I moved to Colorado. Nice geography but good luck getting a good paying job! Fool's gold.
Western's total enrollment decreased by 741 to 6332. This follows the 570 student decrease announced Fall 2023. Combined, that's a 17% decrease from the Fall 2022 enrollment of 7643. These numbers include the Quad City campus (and maybe online?).
EIU's on-campus enrollment of 4573 is a 7.35% decrease from last fall. Their "full time undergrad on campus and not in high school enrollment" is down to 3711.
Not every state is losing population. In a previous post you listed several, and only Michigan is losing population out of the several you mentioned. Illinois and Michigan... the only two. And, just fyi, the Chicago metro area, which you claim in growing, has lost over 180,000 people in the last three years according the the U.S. Census Bureau. Not sure where you get your numbers.@cosmos Not so sure Illinois is perceived as a good place to move to. Chicago is suffering big time and as it goes, so too does the state. And don't get me started on your governor. No thanks.
Yeah, if Illinois was perceived positively by people, our population wouldn't be in decline. We have a very bad image nationally, and within our own state. People can't wait to get out of here.
Every state in the Midwest is in a population decline.
"People can't wait to get out of here?" The Chicago Metro area is growing in population.
I know so many people who moved back here from out West - try finding a place to live in San Diego if you don't have lots of bucks.
"we have a very bad image nationally?" Says who? Completely disagree.
Years ago I moved to Colorado. Nice geography but good luck getting a good paying job! Fool's gold.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_metropolitan_area
Metro area between 2010 and 2020 grew according to the US census bureau.
"With many companies moving to Chicagoland, and many current companies expanding, the area ranked as the nation's top metropolitan area for corporation relocations and expansions for nine consecutive years, the most consecutive years for any region in the country.[10]"
The population of Ohio has declined since 2020: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/states/ohio/population
From the very wiki page you quoted, chicago's metro area pop 2020=9,618,502 2022=9,441,957 thats a decrease. As a state from 2020-2023 we've lost 263,000 residents. Thats the equivalent of Peoria and Joliet just picking up and walking off in three years. That is not sustainable. That has to change or this state is going to be bankrupt in no time. You cant just keep losing cities of 125,000+ every year or two and expect to be able to survive. You can't just keep taxing the fewer and fewer people that are here more and more to make up for the loss of population. Policies have to change to make people want to come here, not make people want to leave.Not every state is losing population. In a previous post you listed several, and only Michigan is losing population out of the several you mentioned. Illinois and Michigan... the only two. And, just fyi, the Chicago metro area, which you claim in growing, has lost over 180,000 people in the last three years according the the U.S. Census Bureau. Not sure where you get your numbers.@cosmos Not so sure Illinois is perceived as a good place to move to. Chicago is suffering big time and as it goes, so too does the state. And don't get me started on your governor. No thanks.
Yeah, if Illinois was perceived positively by people, our population wouldn't be in decline. We have a very bad image nationally, and within our own state. People can't wait to get out of here.
Every state in the Midwest is in a population decline.
"People can't wait to get out of here?" The Chicago Metro area is growing in population.
I know so many people who moved back here from out West - try finding a place to live in San Diego if you don't have lots of bucks.
"we have a very bad image nationally?" Says who? Completely disagree.
Years ago I moved to Colorado. Nice geography but good luck getting a good paying job! Fool's gold.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_metropolitan_area
Metro area between 2010 and 2020 grew according to the US census bureau.
"With many companies moving to Chicagoland, and many current companies expanding, the area ranked as the nation's top metropolitan area for corporation relocations and expansions for nine consecutive years, the most consecutive years for any region in the country.[10]"
The population of Ohio has declined since 2020: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/states/ohio/population
@quatroschallengesaluki Depends how you define metro area. Article states that is an estimate. Also states the pop. is 9.8mill by some definitions of metro area. The official last census shows it increased from 2010 to 2020.
Every time I go there I'm shocked by the growth of the suburbs, the new housing being built, etc. Illinois isn't perfect, but it's doing OK, even if the population declined by a tiny amount.
The fact is, the Chicago area is booming as a center for corporations...moving in from other states.
That has little to do with enrollment. For years, we didn't even have recruiters up there under Bozos Randy Dunn and Brad Coville.
Lane is doing a better job, but I still think SIU does a poor job of selling this place. Used to be something like 60% of the students came from up there. Not so anymore. That will improve eventually I think.
I deliver the mail in Cape Girardeau. The high school kids on my route get tons of recruiting material from colleges and universities around the country, some of which I haven't even heard of. But I very rarely see anything from SIU.
Maybe their research shows that mail solicitation isn't cost effective, but none of these kids are going to SIU.
I deliver the mail in Cape Girardeau. The high school kids on my route get tons of recruiting material from colleges and universities around the country, some of which I haven't even heard of. But I very rarely see anything from SIU.
Maybe their research shows that mail solicitation isn't cost effective, but none of these kids are going to SIU.
For what it’s worth, there is an SIU billboard in Cape on either William St or Independence St. At least there was last year.
Yep, it featured the SIU aviation program. Now SEMO has an aviation program.I deliver the mail in Cape Girardeau. The high school kids on my route get tons of recruiting material from colleges and universities around the country, some of which I haven't even heard of. But I very rarely see anything from SIU.
Maybe their research shows that mail solicitation isn't cost effective, but none of these kids are going to SIU.
For what it’s worth, there is an SIU billboard in Cape on either William St or Independence St. At least there was last year.
@cosmos Not so sure Illinois is perceived as a good place to move to. Chicago is suffering big time and as it goes, so too does the state. And don't get me started on your governor. No thanks.
Yeah, if Illinois was perceived positively by people, our population wouldn't be in decline. We have a very bad image nationally, and within our own state. People can't wait to get out of here.
The point was that Illinois is huge and as it has been IMPROVING (not fixed, but improving) the percentage of students that want to be here is going to continue to grow and at our size every percent is huge. You can choose to not see it, but the national image of Illinois has improved recently. Southern Illinois is the part of the state that has the highest percentage of people leaving, so these numbers just are out of context. The literal facts are that the current administration has heavily increased funding for Southern Illinois and especially SIU while increasing grant funding available for Illinois students to attend public Illinois colleges/universities. They've done more for our region than any of the recent admins we've had in this state. That is not political commentary, it's statistics. Look at the budget. Talk to employees. Illinois has invested heavily in its land grant Universities recently. Whether you like someone or not has nothing to do with the funding SIU and the region is receiving. And please don't forget that Chicago subsidizes Southern Illinois. Without Chicago, we could not sustain. I love Southern Illinois but god we need a reality check sometimes. We are a leech on Illinois, not the providers.
Everytime something like this released, 3 months later the real numbers come out low. Why should be believe this? Assuming it is true what are graduation rates?SIU Carbondale has highest enrollment jump in 33 years, bucks recent national trends
CARBONDALE, Ill. – Enrollment at Southern Illinois University Carbondale has risen for the second year in a row for the first time since 2000. And the freshman class increased for the fifth consecutive year.
Overall enrollment for fall 2024 grew 3.8% to 11,790, or 431 more students than last year. This is the highest overall boost in the number of students since 1991 and the highest percentage increase since 1987.
The university welcomed 1,758 new freshmen this fall, 137 students or 8.45% more than 2023. Cumulatively, the increase in the freshman class is 69.5% since 2019. And these students are well prepared: New students with a GPA of 3.0 or better have increased 8.4% over last year.
The student body is also diverse, with about 9% more Black students, about 12% more Hispanic students and about 2.5% more international students. Undergraduate enrollment rose about 4.5%, and enrollment in graduate and professional programs is up about 2.3%.
New transfer student enrollment increased about 2% to 1,255, and 47% have GPAs above 3.0. Part of that increase can be attributed to Saluki Step Ahead, which allows graduates of partner community colleges to earn their SIU Carbondale bachelor’s degrees online. Enrollment in Saluki Step Ahead increased 111%, including about 62% in the Southern Illinois region.
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