I feel like this is going to be a big miss. This guy is super talented.
I believe Braden Hausen from Amarillo, TX would be a bigger miss. Hausen currently has 12 offers while Daugherty had 13. Both are similar players (height and weight) with Hausen listed as a guard and Daugherty a forward. I also believe, from watching video, that Hausen has the better ball handling skills thus the designation as a shooting guard.
Hopefully Coach Mullins can get Hausen on board. Hausen was an underclassmen high school team mate of Cade Hornecker.
sadly, times have changed with the portal. fewer high school kids getting schollies as coaches rebuild on the fly every year. no longer sure if missing on a high schooler is a big miss. hell, if they are good they would leave anyway.
Not great because Mullins has been bad at the portal and good at high school recruiting. Still waiting for the Jerrance Howard hiring to pay off in some way.
sadly, times have changed with the portal. fewer high school kids getting schollies as coaches rebuild on the fly every year. no longer sure if missing on a high schooler is a big miss. hell, if they are good they would leave anyway.
Not great because Mullins has been bad at the portal and good at high school recruiting. Still waiting for the Jerrance Howard hiring to pay off in some way.
While Coach Mullins has not gotten 5 star players via the portal, I certainly do not believe he's been bad. Ben Coupet, Xavier Johnson, Barrett Benson, come to mind as solid pick ups.
You and I, along with many others await the significance of the Jerrance Howard hire. Here's hoping something positive happens soon.
I feel like this is going to be a big miss. This guy is super talented.
Some folks on this forum thought that this said player was going to blow up and attract Power 5 interest and offers. While a sound player, it appears that he drew Mid Major interest only. Onto bigger and better talent. Perhaps the southwest is an area we could see recruiting success in?
sadly, times have changed with the portal. fewer high school kids getting schollies as coaches rebuild on the fly every year. no longer sure if missing on a high schooler is a big miss. hell, if they are good they would leave anyway.
Not great because Mullins has been bad at the portal and good at high school recruiting. Still waiting for the Jerrance Howard hiring to pay off in some way.
While Coach Mullins has not gotten 5 star players via the portal, I certainly do not believe he's been bad. Ben Coupet, Xavier Johnson, Barrett Benson, come to mind as solid pick ups.
You and I, along with many others await the significance of the Jerrance Howard hire. Here's hoping something positive happens soon.
While guys like Coupet, Johnson and Benson were effective, starting-caliber MVC players, so far there has not been a big-splash portal addition: a best player on the team-type/all-conference-type impact player. And I'm skeptical any of the portal additions for this coming year fall into that category, either, though maybe Trey Miller can develop into that.
Point being, if you don't land star players through the portal, the high school/JUCO ranks are the other options. Yes, it's hard to keep talented underclassmen in this era, but it's probably harder to land star-caliber players in the portal once they're established studs at the D1 level, because the power-conference schools are all over them at that point.
None of this is easy for midmajors, but you still need to bring in all-conference talent to win a conference title unless you have incredible balance and depth.
I agree with this. I believe Mullins has done an average job in recruiting to date, in both HS and portal acquisitions. The problem is that some of his competition (other coaches in the Valley) have done a better job. He doesn't need to out recruit 300+ schools, he only has to out recruit the other 11 schools in the MVC. I know it sounds easier than doing, but that is the job he was tasked with and to date, it hasn't been done and, not coincidentally, we haven't had any real success in the standings either (unless last year's 3rd place is the goal). As just one example, I'm still scratching my head that they would not pass on Robbie Avila, who will likely be all valley at some point, to grab Cade, who likely will never start at SIU.
Not getting Avila was possibly a mistake, but I think BM has really misused Hornecker. Avila is more mobile but he's not a better shooter. CH can shoot and score. Even if he misses, he's going to get fouled a lot, and he can shoot FTs, unlike our other bigs. To burn a redshirt year and then only play him just 40 minutes is ridiculous. I listened to Mike and Rodney during the broadcast last year and RW was high on Cade. D can improve with practice and coaching. Height can't.
Avila would not have played nearly as much here either simply because there's more competition at that position with very quick Clarence Rupert and later with Ebube.
And then there's the absurdity of Troy playing center! Still pissed about that!
I think this year will tell us whether BM can coach offense and develop players. We know he can coach D.
I expect us to be no better than middle of the pack in the MVC, but if we rely on outside players to do most of the scoring, we'll end up way down in the MVC standings.
@mr_woogers Keep in mind, coaches cannot make a player redshirt. And let's hope his foot speed has improved.
I'm not sayin' -- I'm just sayin'!
@mr_woogers Keep in mind, coaches cannot make a player redshirt. And let's hope his foot speed has improved.
Yes and while the announcer had nice things to say about Cade, that means nothing to the coaches. If it was up to the announcers and fans, every SIU player would be first team all Valley. From what I've seen, in VERY limited time, Cade is nothing more than a bench player. Avila will likely be all Valley. Fans might love Cade, as do I as a person, but if he were as good as fan think, he WOULD have played, started, etc. Liking a player and/or him donning an SIU jersey doesn't make him good.
@mr_woogers Keep in mind, coaches cannot make a player redshirt. And let's hope his foot speed has improved.
Technically you may be correct in coaches not being able to make a player redshirt, but in reality, if the coach doesn't put him in a game, then the player redshirts. So, when Mullins put him in a game, he pulled the redshirt, not Cade.
Avila fits into what Indiana State does a lot better than what SIU runs. Indiana State likes to run and gun which plays to Avila's strengths. Don't think he'd be close to the same player here, thus why he decided not to come here or why we passed on him.
@mr_woogers Keep in mind, coaches cannot make a player redshirt. And let's hope his foot speed has improved.
Yes and while the announcer had nice things to say about Cade, that means nothing to the coaches. If it was up to the announcers and fans, every SIU player would be first team all Valley. From what I've seen, in VERY limited time, Cade is nothing more than a bench player. Avila will likely be all Valley. Fans might love Cade, as do I as a person, but if he were as good as fan think, he WOULD have played, started, etc. Liking a player and/or him donning an SIU jersey doesn't make him good.
Rodney Watson coached college ball for 15-20 years. Far more experience than BM. He knows what he's talking about. Not just a fan.
You're giving our coaches far more credit than they deserve IMO. We lost one or more games because Troy was playing center while Cade and Clarence sat on the bench. Just plain dumb or lack of experience or some bone headed idea based on something in practice.
Also, TB was getting way too many minutes in a lot of games when he was not contributing to the offense at all. LJ was allowed to shoot 3s as often as he wanted to even when his shooting was really poor. AJ barely got a sniff even though in his few minutes on the floor he impressed, etc. There are a lot of examples of poor coaching last year so no I don't think the coach necessarily knows who should be on the floor at all times.
I certainly haven't given up on Cade. He has some skills neither CR or SE have. Needs developed for sure. You saw him play for 40 minutes at most and he's just a bench player? He barely sniffed the floor. Too early to make such a judgment IMO.
I respect your reply and surely it has a lot of valid points. I stand by my observations at this time though. One of the main reasons is, if you're a 7' and did not dominate on the defensive side of the ball, that is a problem. HE often looked out of place and unsure of himself and slow to react. Did he have some good plays, of course he did, but regardless of time on the floor, a 7' should be a real and consistent force. As far as giving up on him, I have not. I think he could be a valuable piece, heck he can he a very valuable piece. I am only 'guessing' at this point that he will not be the stud we hoped for and, in fact, play more of a minor role. Here's hoping I'm wrong (again) !!
