I would hate to be the selection committee member tasked with explaining to Kennesaw State why their 9-2 team is sitting at home while 7-5 Southern Illinois is playing next week.
Think of it in terms of the NCAA basketball tournament. In FCS football, the MVFC is like a Power 5/6 conference in basketball. The committee regularly rewards 18-13 P5 teams with bids, leaving 24-win mids and lows at home (because, presumably, their wins were against cupcakes). And we pretty much ALL B!TCH ABOUT IT, and rightfully so. Giving us a bid would have been just like that.
I wish we had gotten in, but I'm not surprised we didn't, nor am I particularly disappointed; I am certainly not angry about it or thinking we got jobbed.
The explanation would have been simple. That 7-5 Southern Illinois team has a better resume, according to nearly all metrics, than your 9-2 Kennesaw State team.
You are using the same argument that power 5 teams use in March that you all cry about. Just because you played a better schedule you did not beat any of them
As I said, I'm surprised but not angry. Had they beat the Turds, I expect we wouldn't be having this conversation. At the same time, you cannot discount that SIU today is not the same team as they were early in the season and arguably better than 4-6 teams that made the playoffs.
That being said, it's over and done with. I just hope this is used as motivation for next year. Call me an optimist (which most people do not), but I still think both the Football and Basketball program(s) are on the rise and I expect big things in the near future.
certainly disappointing, but we were always a bubble team, and bubble teams are always getting left out. the question for these teams is always "who did you beat and where?" at the end of the day, we could not answer that question. southern and towson are ahead of the five other bubble teams in both sagarin and massey. yet those other five all got in.
but here's what gets me: among all the bubble teams, we were the last one playing saturday. the committee was already assembled. you know they were watching our game. and at halftime, the thought had to cross their mind, as other teams were upset earlier in the day, and the seed line crumbled, "what do we do with southern if they win this game????????????"
the only plausible answer, considering south dakota state is the 7th seed, is they would have had to seed us. we would have finished ahead of the jackrabbits, and knocked off the #1 team in the country. so we are supposed to believe we were being considered good enough for a top 7 seed, and then 90 minutes later not being good enough for the top 24? were any other bubble team ever considered for a seed? are you crazy?
the only one good enough was us. they dropped us from 7-25 after the best team in the country beat us 14-0 in one half of football.
SDSU did beat SIU so they may not have given SIU a seed. I get the frustration here but they always say entire body of work. SIU bear who they were supposed to but fell short against other good teams.was week one SIU a playoff team ? Absolutely not but week 12 SIU probably was. I am in agreement with a post above. Both football and basketball are pointing up. Just have to keep plugging
You are using the same argument that power 5 teams use in March that you all cry about. Just because you played a better schedule you did not beat any of them
Maddening.
I'm also reminded--on the subject of this sort of cognitive dissonance--of how, when we were good in basketball, posters would splutter angrily about the P5 schools not wanting to do a home-and-home or even play us at all, even on a neutral site. And then in another thread the same posters would be furious at SIU scheduling a home-and-home with SEMO, EIU, or other teams that we were "too good" to bother playing.
It was both amusing and maddening.
As I also said in my post above, it is THE. SAME. THING. here.
I think in the end the committee just didn't want to: (1) take a 7-5 team from a conference that was already represented by FOUR teams; and (2) take a team that was 0-4 against playoff teams over one that was merely 0-1 against playoff teams. (I'm assuming the main b!tch is against Kennesaw State getting in, based on previous posts.)
Traitorous as it may sound, I actually applaud the committee for abandoning the "P5 argument."
Anyway, it's funny how people essentially become BCS/P5 proponents when it's THEIR team that didn't get a bid.
(Inflammatory political snark)
Understand your position but I think a deeper plunge reveals that kennsaw state played no one lost to mammoth and got by a very weak mo state by eleven. I think Nick is ready for we may be a top ten team and our performance against ndsu while a loss was legit demonstration. Here is to next year and on to the basketball season.
Massey Computer ratings:
SIU 15 sos 24
Holy Cross 44 sos 45
Kennesaw 34 sos 107
SE La. 29 sos 53
Furman 27 sos 59
Nicholls 30 sos 40
We got hosed! (so did Towson and E. Washington) Kennesaw winning 10 crap games s in - ridiculous.
Hefferman had a decent article discussing SIU not making the playoffs (see below). Mentions three other at larges that got in didn't have a win against anyone in the current playoff field...Furman, Albany and Kenesaw State (all 0-1 against the field). Albany had two particularly bad losses. In the end, SIU should have left no doubt and won one of the 3 games against the FCS competition, but it does feel like they are getting punished for playing a tough schedule. Put an easy FCS Div I win on the schedule instead and they are likely in the playoffs...that seems like a poor message to send to teams.
Massey Computer ratings:
SIU 15 sos 24
Holy Cross 44 sos 45
Kennesaw 34 sos 107
SE La. 29 sos 53
Furman 27 sos 59
Nicholls 30 sos 40
We got hosed! (so did Towson and E. Washington) Kennesaw winning 10 crap games s in - ridiculous.
Fine.
As long as you realize you have just forfeited any right to complain about a P5 team with a record of 18-12 (8-8 in conference) getting into the NCAA basketball tournament over, say, the MVC conference champ with a 23-7 record who happened to lose the MVC tournament championship game in a squeaker.
You do realize that, right?
Cut the homer bs, ffs. (I'm bookmarking this thread, btw, for use later.)
The outrage over this is just laughable.
(Inflammatory political snark)
Go Wofford!
Go Dawgs!
Massey Computer ratings:
SIU 15 sos 24
Holy Cross 44 sos 45
Kennesaw 34 sos 107
SE La. 29 sos 53
Furman 27 sos 59
Nicholls 30 sos 40
We got hosed! (so did Towson and E. Washington) Kennesaw winning 10 crap games s in - ridiculous.
Fine.
As long as you realize you have just forfeited any right to complain about a P5 team with a record of 18-12 (8-8 in conference) getting into the NCAA basketball tournament over, say, the MVC conference champ with a 23-7 record who happened to lose the MVC tournament championship game in a squeaker.
You do realize that, right?
Cut the homer bs, ffs. (I'm bookmarking this thread, btw, for use later.)
The outrage over this is just laughable.
Obviously the committee consulted you for your infinite wisdom.
You do realize that you're ignoring the fact that Kennesaw beat 2 D3 teams and a bunch of cupcakes that would have finished 12th in the MVFC. They had one of the weakest schedules in FCS and struggled for a good part of the game against the last place team in the Valley - Mo. State who was 1 - 10. Look behind the numbers!
SIU would beat every one of the teams I listed. In fact, I think we'd smoke them!
I have no problem with an 18 - 12 team with an RPI that's way better than that 23 - 7 team with a wussy schedule and several wins against the Little Sisters of the Poor! That's sometimes not the case.
i understand the argument about non-deserving larger schools getting in versus smaller schools. but our case is not exactly similar to the basketball fiasco.
minnesota, ohio state, oklahoma and st. johns all finished in the BOTTOM half of their conferences last year with LOSING records, and still got bball invites. that's where the problem lies.
our football team finished in a tie for third place with a winning conference record in the best league in the country. it's not like we're saying the trees should have gotten in.
Massey Computer ratings:
SIU 15 sos 24
Holy Cross 44 sos 45
Kennesaw 34 sos 107
SE La. 29 sos 53
Furman 27 sos 59
Nicholls 30 sos 40
We got hosed! (so did Towson and E. Washington) Kennesaw winning 10 crap games s in - ridiculous.
Fine.
As long as you realize you have just forfeited any right to complain about a P5 team with a record of 18-12 (8-8 in conference) getting into the NCAA basketball tournament over, say, the MVC conference champ with a 23-7 record who happened to lose the MVC tournament championship game in a squeaker.
You do realize that, right?
Cut the homer bs, ffs. (I'm bookmarking this thread, btw, for use later.)
The outrage over this is just laughable.
Obviously the committee consulted you for your infinite wisdom.
You do realize that you're ignoring the fact that Kennesaw beat 2 D3 teams and a bunch of cupcakes that would have finished 12th in the MVFC. They had one of the weakest schedules in FCS and struggled for a good part of the game against the last place team in the Valley - Mo. State who was 1 - 10. Look behind the numbers!
SIU would beat every one of the teams I listed. In fact, I think we'd smoke them!
I have no problem with an 18 - 12 team with an RPI that's way better than that 23 - 7 team with a wussy schedule and several wins against the Little Sisters of the Poor! That's sometimes not the case.
Yep, I was on the horn with the committee the whole time. I told them to not pay any attention to you! 😛
(Inflammatory political snark)
Massey Computer ratings:
SIU 15 sos 24
Holy Cross 44 sos 45
Kennesaw 34 sos 107
SE La. 29 sos 53
Furman 27 sos 59
Nicholls 30 sos 40
We got hosed! (so did Towson and E. Washington) Kennesaw winning 10 crap games s in - ridiculous.
Fine.
As long as you realize you have just forfeited any right to complain about a P5 team with a record of 18-12 (8-8 in conference) getting into the NCAA basketball tournament over, say, the MVC conference champ with a 23-7 record who happened to lose the MVC tournament championship game in a squeaker.
You do realize that, right?
Cut the homer bs, ffs. (I'm bookmarking this thread, btw, for use later.)
The outrage over this is just laughable.
Obviously the committee consulted you for your infinite wisdom.
You do realize that you're ignoring the fact that Kennesaw beat 2 D3 teams and a bunch of cupcakes that would have finished 12th in the MVFC. They had one of the weakest schedules in FCS and struggled for a good part of the game against the last place team in the Valley - Mo. State who was 1 - 10. Look behind the numbers!
SIU would beat every one of the teams I listed. In fact, I think we'd smoke them!
I have no problem with an 18 - 12 team with an RPI that's way better than that 23 - 7 team with a wussy schedule and several wins against the Little Sisters of the Poor! That's sometimes not the case.
Yep, I was on the horn with the committee the whole time. I told them to not pay any attention to you! 😛
Hope you get that abacus for Christmas that you so obviously need! I'll bet the old one's worn out! 🤡
