Honestly it makes good sense to. You have a dying poorly run campus vs a consistently growing one. Common sense says where funds should be sent
We've done little or nothing to adjust to the reality in a decreasing enrollment situation you need to improve your product and cut costs (deadwood programs). If our carnagie research status is preventing us from saving what is important, maybe it's time to drop that point of prestige. I would bet the administration currently is struggling how to spend more millions and is looking at nothing to cut costs.
“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”
― Ayn Rand
The only downside is that if Carbondale is going to steal 30 million from Edwardsville each year how is transferring 6 million per year from Carbondale to Edwardsville a solution to anything.
“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”
― Ayn Rand
“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”
― Ayn Rand
You want to see this place really go into the abyss, don't you?
Let's just shutter the place: that is ultimate cost-cutting move.
You are right, though: costs need to be cut; there's no doubt about that. I just don't think that's the way to go about it. I know it's pie-in-the-sky thinking here, but I'll bet millions could be saved by a gutsy chancellor/president (not sure what those terms mean anymore--it seems to have flipped since I was there) who was willing to trim some fat from Anthony Hall.
I had high hopes for the new guy, but those hopes are fading.
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You want to see this place really go into the abyss, don't you?
Let's just shutter the place: that is ultimate cost-cutting move.
You are right, though: costs need to be cut; there's no doubt about that. I just don't think that's the way to go about it. I know it's pie-in-the-sky thinking here, but I'll bet millions could be saved by a gutsy chancellor/president (not sure what those terms mean anymore--it seems to have flipped since I was there) who was willing to trim some fat from Anthony Hall.
I had high hopes for the new guy, but those hopes are fading.
I'd like to see us improve. We are dead last or close to it in every catagory under Obama's Whitehouse.gov college rating system for state of IL.
Dust off a 1990 org chart and drop staff/faculty down to those levels which would still be a vast improvement given lower numbers of students now. Then start shuttering buildings to save costs. If teachers aren't heavily involved in research, they need to be in the classroom not wasting a TAs time teaching their class (whose lectures haven't changed for 20 years).
If you look at the 50 worst degrees they are all SIU specialties we can improve that too as it is immoral to enroll kids for things you know they can't find work in. Kids are starting to figure this crap out and the gig is up. The only people impressed by our carnagie research status are SIU apologists.
“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”
― Ayn Rand
You want to see this place really go into the abyss, don't you?
Let's just shutter the place: that is ultimate cost-cutting move.
You are right, though: costs need to be cut; there's no doubt about that. I just don't think that's the way to go about it. I know it's pie-in-the-sky thinking here, but I'll bet millions could be saved by a gutsy chancellor/president (not sure what those terms mean anymore--it seems to have flipped since I was there) who was willing to trim some fat from Anthony Hall.
I had high hopes for the new guy, but those hopes are fading.
I'd like to see us improve. We are dead last or close to it in every catagory under Obama's Whitehouse.gov college rating system for state of IL.
Dust off a 1990 org chart and drop staff/faculty down to those levels which would still be a vast improvement given lower numbers of students now. Then start shuttering buildings to save costs. If teachers aren't heavily involved in research, they need to be in the classroom not wasting a TAs time teaching their class (whose lectures haven't changed for 20 years).
If you look at the 50 worst degrees they are all SIU specialties we can improve that too as it is immoral to enroll kids for things you know they can't find work in. Kids are starting to figure this crap out and the gig is up. The only people impressed by our carnagie research status are SIU apologists.
Yes, that's it: "If you don't agree with me, you are a (fill in the blank)." Sound.
You and I agree--so let's just find some common ground and leave it at that--that some serious fat needs to be trimmed from administration, both the number of people employed in those positions and the ridiculously high salaries paid. This is a nationwide problem, and it has helped fuel the skyrocketing cost to the student of higher education. This op-ed piece nails it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html
(Inflammatory political snark)
You and I agree--so let's just find some common ground and leave it at that--that some serious fat needs to be trimmed from administration, both the number of people employed in those positions and the ridiculously high salaries paid. This is a nationwide problem, and it has helped fuel the skyrocketing cost to the student of higher education. This op-ed piece nails it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html
Austin, I wonder what would happen if instead of the University finding loans for kids and then the student be responsible for payback to the lender, the University would be responsible for the payback of the loan, while the students pay back the school.. The school may not be so quick to accept student with little to no chance of graduating.
“The best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores.”
-- Al McGuire
The “special admissions” program that was instituted by the geniuses who were threatened with repercussions if the program was not adopted are to blame for the plummeting enrollment numbers in Carbondale. Talk to some of the SIU police to see how well that worked out, or download the So Illinoisan app and see if there is not a shooting, stabbing, on a sickeningly regular basis. To his credit, Randy Dunn is attempting to right the ship, pretty tough to get a genie back into the bottle though.
The advancement and diffusion of knowledge is the only guardian of true liberty.
James Madison
You and I agree--so let's just find some common ground and leave it at that--that some serious fat needs to be trimmed from administration, both the number of people employed in those positions and the ridiculously high salaries paid. This is a nationwide problem, and it has helped fuel the skyrocketing cost to the student of higher education. This op-ed piece nails it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html
Austin, I wonder what would happen if instead of the University finding loans for kids and then the student be responsible for payback to the lender, the University would be responsible for the payback of the loan, while the students pay back the school.. The school may not be so quick to accept student with little to no chance of graduating.
Trying to hold schools accountable for enrolling kids with no hope of graduating is not going to happen in this day and age.
“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”
― Ayn Rand
The “special admissions” program that was instituted by the geniuses who were threatened with repercussions if the program was not adopted are to blame for the plummeting enrollment numbers in Carbondale. Talk to some of the SIU police to see how well that worked out, or download the So Illinoisan app and see if there is not a shooting, stabbing, on a sickeningly regular basis. To his credit, Randy Dunn is attempting to right the ship, pretty tough to get a genie back into the bottle though.
Why not just dust off a 1990 org chart?
I can loan him my "easy button". This is the simplest problem in the history of public education.
“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”
― Ayn Rand
Personally, I think the board and the administration need to get onboard with the Chancellor's plans to consolidate programs and create some new majors that are more relevant to today's society. All of these individuals that don't want change should be more concerned about getting canned due to declining enrollment and lack of change. It's another situation where there's people that have been at the university for far too long and can't see the forest for the trees. SIU will continue to tank, unless it can reinvent itself, and create an identity that's appealing to today's high school grads.
Personally, I think the board and the administration need to get onboard with the Chancellor's plans to consolidate programs and create some new majors that are more relevant to today's society. All of these individuals that don't want change should be more concerned about getting canned due to declining enrollment and lack of change. It's another situation where there's people that have been at the university for far too long and can't see the forest for the trees. SIU will continue to tank, unless it can reinvent itself, and create an identity that's appealing to today's high school grads.
The thing you are missing is that all they need to do to keep getting paid is keep the doors open. With folks like that, failure is the only option. Let's drain the swamp. Cut back to 1990s org chart levels and there won't be the manpower needed to keep doing stupid stuff.
“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”
― Ayn Rand
You and I agree--so let's just find some common ground and leave it at that--that some serious fat needs to be trimmed from administration, both the number of people employed in those positions and the ridiculously high salaries paid. This is a nationwide problem, and it has helped fuel the skyrocketing cost to the student of higher education. This op-ed piece nails it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html
Austin, I wonder what would happen if instead of the University finding loans for kids and then the student be responsible for payback to the lender, the University would be responsible for the payback of the loan, while the students pay back the school.. The school may not be so quick to accept student with little to no chance of graduating.
That would be a start.
What really needs to happen is to reduce cost to the student. It is insane what college costs now compared to what it cost when I was in school (1980s).
The first check I wrote to SIU was for $658 to cover my tuition and fees for the fall 1982 semester. So let's say the average tuition and fees for a year was $1,300 back then. That's about $3,300 in 2018 money. Current tuition and fees for a year at SIU are close to $14,000 ($13,936), more than quadruple the cost in real dollar terms.
Meanwhile, minimum wage has remained stagnant. The $3.35/hr. I was getting from minimum wage jobs back in 1982 is $8.50/hr. in 2018 money. Actual minimum wage (in Illinois) in 2018 is $8.25/hr.
In short, college costs QUADRUPLE the amount it cost in 1982. That is really, really f-ed up.
(I wish people would think about that the next time they want to bust the chops of "kids today" for needing so much financial aid or whine about "kids today" having it so bloody easy.)
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