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We are simply challenged on offense and have to get more athletic. That was known last year and we targeted some good PG's, including Terry Roberts, who was probably Bradley's best player this year. We obviously missed on all the PG targets, but did get a high impact transfer in Coupet. 

It is imperative we get an athletic, scoring PG and an athletic wing with size. We need a 6'5"-6'8" athletic wing in the mold of a Donovan Clay. If we could get our #1 PG target in Moore and an athletic wing I think we can do some real damage next year if our core returns. I am trusting Rockin Dawg's opinion that Ebube is going to come in and make an impact next year, so I think we will be ok in the post. I am guessing 1 scholarship will open up so we can get the second badly needed piece to this equation.


   
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We are simply challenged on offense and have to get more athletic. That was known last year and we targeted some good PG's, including Terry Roberts, who was probably Bradley's best player this year. We obviously missed on all the PG targets, but did get a high impact transfer in Coupet. 

It is imperative we get an athletic, scoring PG and an athletic wing with size. We need a 6'5"-6'8" athletic wing in the mold of a Donovan Clay. If we could get our #1 PG target in Moore and an athletic wing I think we can do some real damage next year if our core returns. I am trusting Rockin Dawg's opinion that Ebube is going to come in and make an impact next year, so I think we will be ok in the post. I am guessing 1 scholarship will open up so we can get the second badly needed piece to this equation.

We are certainly challenged with consistency on offense. We’ve seen a couple games where they are able to put it all together as a team and they look really good. The problem is we don’t have enough consistency when Jones or Domask are having an off night, to have that 3rd scorer step up. Coupet had stretches where he looked like he could be that guy, but he’s gone next year. Verplanken had a game or two, but could disappear for long stretches, Brown just never got in a rhythm, and Harvey never got to play.

 I whole heartedly agree that we need another PG, not necessarily a big scorer (although I wouldn’t complain). Have to have a PG who can get us into our sets, not turn the ball over, and can hit an outside shot occasionally. I also agree that we desperately need a 4 who can score as well. I think Domask would be so dangerous if we could move him to the 3 and let him run his low post game on smaller defenders (can still play the 4 as needed). Watson and Reis were talking about this in the postgame some as well. I like the Clay comparison…but maybe a bit more consistent  from outside than he is.

We’ve got 11 ppg to replace from Coupet and really probably need to add 6-10 more ppg to be a contender. That’s also assuming we don’t have any transfers of significance. These next couple months will be very interesting leading up to signing day in April.


   
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We are simply challenged on offense and have to get more athletic. That was known last year and we targeted some good PG's, including Terry Roberts, who was probably Bradley's best player this year. We obviously missed on all the PG targets, but did get a high impact transfer in Coupet. 

It is imperative we get an athletic, scoring PG and an athletic wing with size. We need a 6'5"-6'8" athletic wing in the mold of a Donovan Clay. If we could get our #1 PG target in Moore and an athletic wing I think we can do some real damage next year if our core returns. I am trusting Rockin Dawg's opinion that Ebube is going to come in and make an impact next year, so I think we will be ok in the post. I am guessing 1 scholarship will open up so we can get the second badly needed piece to this equation.

Nothing against Coupet, he had his moments, but he was far from “high impact”.  For all the talk about how unfair it was that other teams had 5th year Seniors, he was a 5th year Senior and didn’t make the All-Newcomer team over guys that weren’t 5th year guys.  Thought he had a shot at it over Kobe King but just wasn’t consistent enough or possibly used correctly.


   
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We are simply challenged on offense and have to get more athletic. That was known last year and we targeted some good PG's, including Terry Roberts, who was probably Bradley's best player this year. We obviously missed on all the PG targets, but did get a high impact transfer in Coupet. 

It is imperative we get an athletic, scoring PG and an athletic wing with size. We need a 6'5"-6'8" athletic wing in the mold of a Donovan Clay. If we could get our #1 PG target in Moore and an athletic wing I think we can do some real damage next year if our core returns. I am trusting Rockin Dawg's opinion that Ebube is going to come in and make an impact next year, so I think we will be ok in the post. I am guessing 1 scholarship will open up so we can get the second badly needed piece to this equation.

Nothing against Coupet, he had his moments, but he was far from “high impact”.  For all the talk about how unfair it was that other teams had 5th year Seniors, he was a 5th year Senior and didn’t make the All-Newcomer team over guys that weren’t 5th year guys.  Thought he had a shot at it over Kobe King but just wasn’t consistent enough or possibly used correctly.

You are sorely diminishing the impact Coupet had on this team. He was:

21st in the mvc in scoring at 11 ppg

Near the top of the mvc in 3 point fg% at .411

16th in the mvc in 3 pt. FG per game at 1.7

20th in th mvc in rebounding at 4.6 per game

Shot .761 from the FT line

He was by far our most athletic player. To say he didn't have a major impact is way off in my opinion. We would have been in much worse shape without him. He went off in more than a few games that we most certainly would have lost without him. I think we would be incredibly happy to take a transfer who gives us the above stats every year! Statistically he and Domask were our most well rounded players this year. That is not to diminish Lance Jones who is a great player, but Lance didn't shoot as well as usual due to injury. I'm not saying he was better than Lance, just more complete statistically.

 


   
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We had 13 turnovers and had the ball stolen 10 times. We are not good ball handlers. Contrary to the coach's opinion we are not good outside shooters. Good defense can be taught; shooting is a natural skill that some have and others lack. It can be improved with practice. We made 6 free throws to Drake's 16, probably because we were'nt driving the lane for lay-ups...especially Jones who got 0 FTs. Forget the weight room; work on shooting and endurance. Larry Bird's work out was sprints and long distance running. No one would call him "buffed". He also was out shooting an hour before everyone else. Get in shape by doing basketball drills.

 

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I feel bad for Saluki fans. What a miserable 15 years this has been.

Sigh.

It's so hard to believe that the hard-fought, gut-wrenching 61-58 loss to Kansas fifteen years ago was the last time we've seen our guys play in the NCAA tourney... fifteen years ago.  Damn.

 

Not even close to an NIT team since the 2008 season too.  This was their best season by KenPom (124) since they finished 62nd in that NIT season.  🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 

Last time we played in an Arch Madness final, I was still young. I'm not as young anymore.

After that loss to Kansas, I would never have conceived we would go the next FIFTEEN SEASONS without an MVCt finals or a single appearance in the Dance.

If you had tried to tell me this drought would take place with two of the better programs leaving in the midst of it, I would've thought it insanity.

Children born after SIU's glory years are now in high school.

 

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We are simply challenged on offense and have to get more athletic. That was known last year and we targeted some good PG's, including Terry Roberts, who was probably Bradley's best player this year. We obviously missed on all the PG targets, but did get a high impact transfer in Coupet. 

It is imperative we get an athletic, scoring PG and an athletic wing with size. We need a 6'5"-6'8" athletic wing in the mold of a Donovan Clay. If we could get our #1 PG target in Moore and an athletic wing I think we can do some real damage next year if our core returns. I am trusting Rockin Dawg's opinion that Ebube is going to come in and make an impact next year, so I think we will be ok in the post. I am guessing 1 scholarship will open up so we can get the second badly needed piece to this equation.

Nothing against Coupet, he had his moments, but he was far from “high impact”.  For all the talk about how unfair it was that other teams had 5th year Seniors, he was a 5th year Senior and didn’t make the All-Newcomer team over guys that weren’t 5th year guys.  Thought he had a shot at it over Kobe King but just wasn’t consistent enough or possibly used correctly.

You are sorely diminishing the impact Coupet had on this team. He was:

21st in the mvc in scoring at 11 ppg

Near the top of the mvc in 3 point fg% at .411

16th in the mvc in 3 pt. FG per game at 1.7

20th in th mvc in rebounding at 4.6 per game

Shot .761 from the FT line

He was by far our most athletic player. To say he didn't have a major impact is way off in my opinion. We would have been in much worse shape without him. He went off in more than a few games that we most certainly would have lost without him. I think we would be incredibly happy to take a transfer who gives us the above stats every year! Statistically he and Domask were our most well rounded players this year. That is not to diminish Lance Jones who is a great player, but Lance didn't shoot as well as usual due to injury. I'm not saying he was better than Lance, just more complete statistically.

 

He was the distant 3rd best player on a .500 team.  Thought he could have been used better with his athleticism getting to the rim more.  

We talk a lot about older teams in the league and it’s likely SIU might be even younger next year even with Domask & Jones being Seniors.  Other teams are still going to be old with returning 5th year Seniors, SIU will have none barring a transfer.  It’s why I keep wondering if next year is gonna be more excuses.


   
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We are simply challenged on offense and have to get more athletic. That was known last year and we targeted some good PG's, including Terry Roberts, who was probably Bradley's best player this year. We obviously missed on all the PG targets, but did get a high impact transfer in Coupet. 

It is imperative we get an athletic, scoring PG and an athletic wing with size. We need a 6'5"-6'8" athletic wing in the mold of a Donovan Clay. If we could get our #1 PG target in Moore and an athletic wing I think we can do some real damage next year if our core returns. I am trusting Rockin Dawg's opinion that Ebube is going to come in and make an impact next year, so I think we will be ok in the post. I am guessing 1 scholarship will open up so we can get the second badly needed piece to this equation.

I think Ebube will supply that freak athleticism at the 5 on both ends that SIU desperately needs. I hope Hornecker's offensive game is polished enough that he can use his inside/outside scoring versatility to provide meaningful minutes. Muila and Filewich are pieces that add depth at that position, but both their games have too many holes to be relied on for consistently long stretches of play.

My level of expectations for next year will hinge heavily on Brian Moore. If we get that kid, SIU's offense will look so much different.

If a scholarship opens and SIU can fill it with Ben Coupet infused with Donovan Clay, next year has a chance to be something special. 

That's a lot of "if's", but man we are due...

 

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We are simply challenged on offense and have to get more athletic. That was known last year and we targeted some good PG's, including Terry Roberts, who was probably Bradley's best player this year. We obviously missed on all the PG targets, but did get a high impact transfer in Coupet. 

It is imperative we get an athletic, scoring PG and an athletic wing with size. We need a 6'5"-6'8" athletic wing in the mold of a Donovan Clay. If we could get our #1 PG target in Moore and an athletic wing I think we can do some real damage next year if our core returns. I am trusting Rockin Dawg's opinion that Ebube is going to come in and make an impact next year, so I think we will be ok in the post. I am guessing 1 scholarship will open up so we can get the second badly needed piece to this equation.

Nothing against Coupet, he had his moments, but he was far from “high impact”.  For all the talk about how unfair it was that other teams had 5th year Seniors, he was a 5th year Senior and didn’t make the All-Newcomer team over guys that weren’t 5th year guys.  Thought he had a shot at it over Kobe King but just wasn’t consistent enough or possibly used correctly.

You are sorely diminishing the impact Coupet had on this team. He was:

21st in the mvc in scoring at 11 ppg

Near the top of the mvc in 3 point fg% at .411

16th in the mvc in 3 pt. FG per game at 1.7

20th in th mvc in rebounding at 4.6 per game

Shot .761 from the FT line

He was by far our most athletic player. To say he didn't have a major impact is way off in my opinion. We would have been in much worse shape without him. He went off in more than a few games that we most certainly would have lost without him. I think we would be incredibly happy to take a transfer who gives us the above stats every year! Statistically he and Domask were our most well rounded players this year. That is not to diminish Lance Jones who is a great player, but Lance didn't shoot as well as usual due to injury. I'm not saying he was better than Lance, just more complete statistically.

 

He was the distant 3rd best player on a .500 team.  Thought he could have been used better with his athleticism getting to the rim more.  

We talk a lot about older teams in the league and it’s likely SIU might be even younger next year even with Domask & Jones being Seniors.  Other teams are still going to be old with returning 5th year Seniors, SIU will have none barring a transfer.  It’s why I keep wondering if next year is gonna be more excuses.

I said he was a "high impact" player. This refers to him being a "high impact" player to his team. I didn't say anything about him being one of the best players in the league. If bringing in an athlete who is the 3rd best player on your team, who shoots lights out from 3, lights out from the ft line, scores, rebounds, and who is (by far) the most athletic player on your team does not constitute high impact, then I do not know what does!


   
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Did Coupet decline using his covid year?


   
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Did Coupet decline using his covid year?

This was Coupet's COVID year.  Same with D'Avanzo.  Because he was a transfer, SIU was using a scholarship on Coupet but they didn't have to use one on D'Avanzo.


   
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We are simply challenged on offense and have to get more athletic. That was known last year and we targeted some good PG's, including Terry Roberts, who was probably Bradley's best player this year. We obviously missed on all the PG targets, but did get a high impact transfer in Coupet. 

It is imperative we get an athletic, scoring PG and an athletic wing with size. We need a 6'5"-6'8" athletic wing in the mold of a Donovan Clay. If we could get our #1 PG target in Moore and an athletic wing I think we can do some real damage next year if our core returns. I am trusting Rockin Dawg's opinion that Ebube is going to come in and make an impact next year, so I think we will be ok in the post. I am guessing 1 scholarship will open up so we can get the second badly needed piece to this equation.

Nothing against Coupet, he had his moments, but he was far from “high impact”.  For all the talk about how unfair it was that other teams had 5th year Seniors, he was a 5th year Senior and didn’t make the All-Newcomer team over guys that weren’t 5th year guys.  Thought he had a shot at it over Kobe King but just wasn’t consistent enough or possibly used correctly.

You are sorely diminishing the impact Coupet had on this team. He was:

21st in the mvc in scoring at 11 ppg

Near the top of the mvc in 3 point fg% at .411

16th in the mvc in 3 pt. FG per game at 1.7

20th in th mvc in rebounding at 4.6 per game

Shot .761 from the FT line

He was by far our most athletic player. To say he didn't have a major impact is way off in my opinion. We would have been in much worse shape without him. He went off in more than a few games that we most certainly would have lost without him. I think we would be incredibly happy to take a transfer who gives us the above stats every year! Statistically he and Domask were our most well rounded players this year. That is not to diminish Lance Jones who is a great player, but Lance didn't shoot as well as usual due to injury. I'm not saying he was better than Lance, just more complete statistically.

 

He was the distant 3rd best player on a .500 team.  Thought he could have been used better with his athleticism getting to the rim more.  

We talk a lot about older teams in the league and it’s likely SIU might be even younger next year even with Domask & Jones being Seniors.  Other teams are still going to be old with returning 5th year Seniors, SIU will have none barring a transfer.  It’s why I keep wondering if next year is gonna be more excuses.

I said he was a "high impact" player. This refers to him being a "high impact" player to his team. I didn't say anything about him being one of the best players in the league. If bringing in an athlete who is the 3rd best player on your team, who shoots lights out from 3, lights out from the ft line, scores, rebounds, and who is (by far) the most athletic player on your team does not constitute high impact, then I do not know what does!

Coupet was not lights out from the FT line. He was like the 8th best FT shooter on the team % wise.

Again, he was also a 24 year old in his 6th year of college basketball which makes his stats pretty unimpressive.


   
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Coupet was not lights out from the FT line. He was like the 8th best FT shooter on the team % wise.

Again, he was also a 24 year old in his 6th year of college basketball which makes his stats pretty unimpressive.

Yeah exactly, I thought Coupet was a good player but he wasn't a top 20 player in the Valley and as a 5th year Senior.  He was the distant 3rd best player on a .500 SIU team.  As I said though, I think he was underutilized on offense.  Would have liked to see SIU have him attack the basket more with his length and athleticism and we really didn't see enough of it.  He's still going to be tough to replace and you probably need to find 2 impact transfers on or above his level if you want to get out mediocrity next year.

For all the talk about 5th year Seniors in the Valley, SIU had 2 of them and refused to play D'Avanzo.  As of now, SIU has no 5th year Seniors next year so they're going to be young again compared to the Valley.


   
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We are simply challenged on offense and have to get more athletic. That was known last year and we targeted some good PG's, including Terry Roberts, who was probably Bradley's best player this year. We obviously missed on all the PG targets, but did get a high impact transfer in Coupet. 

It is imperative we get an athletic, scoring PG and an athletic wing with size. We need a 6'5"-6'8" athletic wing in the mold of a Donovan Clay. If we could get our #1 PG target in Moore and an athletic wing I think we can do some real damage next year if our core returns. I am trusting Rockin Dawg's opinion that Ebube is going to come in and make an impact next year, so I think we will be ok in the post. I am guessing 1 scholarship will open up so we can get the second badly needed piece to this equation.

Nothing against Coupet, he had his moments, but he was far from “high impact”.  For all the talk about how unfair it was that other teams had 5th year Seniors, he was a 5th year Senior and didn’t make the All-Newcomer team over guys that weren’t 5th year guys.  Thought he had a shot at it over Kobe King but just wasn’t consistent enough or possibly used correctly.

You are sorely diminishing the impact Coupet had on this team. He was:

21st in the mvc in scoring at 11 ppg

Near the top of the mvc in 3 point fg% at .411

16th in the mvc in 3 pt. FG per game at 1.7

20th in th mvc in rebounding at 4.6 per game

Shot .761 from the FT line

He was by far our most athletic player. To say he didn't have a major impact is way off in my opinion. We would have been in much worse shape without him. He went off in more than a few games that we most certainly would have lost without him. I think we would be incredibly happy to take a transfer who gives us the above stats every year! Statistically he and Domask were our most well rounded players this year. That is not to diminish Lance Jones who is a great player, but Lance didn't shoot as well as usual due to injury. I'm not saying he was better than Lance, just more complete statistically.

 

He was the distant 3rd best player on a .500 team.  Thought he could have been used better with his athleticism getting to the rim more.  

We talk a lot about older teams in the league and it’s likely SIU might be even younger next year even with Domask & Jones being Seniors.  Other teams are still going to be old with returning 5th year Seniors, SIU will have none barring a transfer.  It’s why I keep wondering if next year is gonna be more excuses.

I said he was a "high impact" player. This refers to him being a "high impact" player to his team. I didn't say anything about him being one of the best players in the league. If bringing in an athlete who is the 3rd best player on your team, who shoots lights out from 3, lights out from the ft line, scores, rebounds, and who is (by far) the most athletic player on your team does not constitute high impact, then I do not know what does!

Coupet was not lights out from the FT line. He was like the 8th best FT shooter on the team % wise.

Again, he was also a 24 year old in his 6th year of college basketball which makes his stats pretty unimpressive.

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Coupet was 3rd on the team in FT%. Domask .824, Banks .769, Coupet .761. He was 67-88 from the line. Most folks will agree .761 is a very good FT% in college basketball. My source is siusalukis.com. You might want to research things before spouting off your misinformation.


   
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We are simply challenged on offense and have to get more athletic. That was known last year and we targeted some good PG's, including Terry Roberts, who was probably Bradley's best player this year. We obviously missed on all the PG targets, but did get a high impact transfer in Coupet. 

It is imperative we get an athletic, scoring PG and an athletic wing with size. We need a 6'5"-6'8" athletic wing in the mold of a Donovan Clay. If we could get our #1 PG target in Moore and an athletic wing I think we can do some real damage next year if our core returns. I am trusting Rockin Dawg's opinion that Ebube is going to come in and make an impact next year, so I think we will be ok in the post. I am guessing 1 scholarship will open up so we can get the second badly needed piece to this equation.

Nothing against Coupet, he had his moments, but he was far from “high impact”.  For all the talk about how unfair it was that other teams had 5th year Seniors, he was a 5th year Senior and didn’t make the All-Newcomer team over guys that weren’t 5th year guys.  Thought he had a shot at it over Kobe King but just wasn’t consistent enough or possibly used correctly.

You are sorely diminishing the impact Coupet had on this team. He was:

21st in the mvc in scoring at 11 ppg

Near the top of the mvc in 3 point fg% at .411

16th in the mvc in 3 pt. FG per game at 1.7

20th in th mvc in rebounding at 4.6 per game

Shot .761 from the FT line

He was by far our most athletic player. To say he didn't have a major impact is way off in my opinion. We would have been in much worse shape without him. He went off in more than a few games that we most certainly would have lost without him. I think we would be incredibly happy to take a transfer who gives us the above stats every year! Statistically he and Domask were our most well rounded players this year. That is not to diminish Lance Jones who is a great player, but Lance didn't shoot as well as usual due to injury. I'm not saying he was better than Lance, just more complete statistically.

 

He was the distant 3rd best player on a .500 team.  Thought he could have been used better with his athleticism getting to the rim more.  

We talk a lot about older teams in the league and it’s likely SIU might be even younger next year even with Domask & Jones being Seniors.  Other teams are still going to be old with returning 5th year Seniors, SIU will have none barring a transfer.  It’s why I keep wondering if next year is gonna be more excuses.

I said he was a "high impact" player. This refers to him being a "high impact" player to his team. I didn't say anything about him being one of the best players in the league. If bringing in an athlete who is the 3rd best player on your team, who shoots lights out from 3, lights out from the ft line, scores, rebounds, and who is (by far) the most athletic player on your team does not constitute high impact, then I do not know what does!

Coupet was not lights out from the FT line. He was like the 8th best FT shooter on the team % wise.

Again, he was also a 24 year old in his 6th year of college basketball which makes his stats pretty unimpressive.

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Coupet was 3rd on the team in FT%. Domask .824, Banks .769, Coupet .761. He was 67-88 from the line. Most folks will agree .761 is a very good FT% in college basketball. My source is siusalukis.com. You might want to research things before spouting off your misinformation.

Verplancken 1.00%. D'Avanzo .8%. Trent Brown 1.00%(granted only 2 attempts but 77% for his career).

And you didn't say "very good". You said "lights out" which he wasn't by any stretch.

Coupet was a 6th year Senior in his mid 20s. He wasn't particularly impressive as a player.


   
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