We are simply challenged on offense and have to get more athletic. That was known last year and we targeted some good PG's, including Terry Roberts, who was probably Bradley's best player this year. We obviously missed on all the PG targets, but did get a high impact transfer in Coupet.
It is imperative we get an athletic, scoring PG and an athletic wing with size. We need a 6'5"-6'8" athletic wing in the mold of a Donovan Clay. If we could get our #1 PG target in Moore and an athletic wing I think we can do some real damage next year if our core returns. I am trusting Rockin Dawg's opinion that Ebube is going to come in and make an impact next year, so I think we will be ok in the post. I am guessing 1 scholarship will open up so we can get the second badly needed piece to this equation.
Nothing against Coupet, he had his moments, but he was far from “high impact”. For all the talk about how unfair it was that other teams had 5th year Seniors, he was a 5th year Senior and didn’t make the All-Newcomer team over guys that weren’t 5th year guys. Thought he had a shot at it over Kobe King but just wasn’t consistent enough or possibly used correctly.
You are sorely diminishing the impact Coupet had on this team. He was:
21st in the mvc in scoring at 11 ppg
Near the top of the mvc in 3 point fg% at .411
16th in the mvc in 3 pt. FG per game at 1.7
20th in th mvc in rebounding at 4.6 per game
Shot .761 from the FT line
He was by far our most athletic player. To say he didn't have a major impact is way off in my opinion. We would have been in much worse shape without him. He went off in more than a few games that we most certainly would have lost without him. I think we would be incredibly happy to take a transfer who gives us the above stats every year! Statistically he and Domask were our most well rounded players this year. That is not to diminish Lance Jones who is a great player, but Lance didn't shoot as well as usual due to injury. I'm not saying he was better than Lance, just more complete statistically.
He was the distant 3rd best player on a .500 team. Thought he could have been used better with his athleticism getting to the rim more.
We talk a lot about older teams in the league and it’s likely SIU might be even younger next year even with Domask & Jones being Seniors. Other teams are still going to be old with returning 5th year Seniors, SIU will have none barring a transfer. It’s why I keep wondering if next year is gonna be more excuses.
I said he was a "high impact" player. This refers to him being a "high impact" player to his team. I didn't say anything about him being one of the best players in the league. If bringing in an athlete who is the 3rd best player on your team, who shoots lights out from 3, lights out from the ft line, scores, rebounds, and who is (by far) the most athletic player on your team does not constitute high impact, then I do not know what does!
Coupet was not lights out from the FT line. He was like the 8th best FT shooter on the team % wise.
Again, he was also a 24 year old in his 6th year of college basketball which makes his stats pretty unimpressive.
You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Coupet was 3rd on the team in FT%. Domask .824, Banks .769, Coupet .761. He was 67-88 from the line. Most folks will agree .761 is a very good FT% in college basketball. My source is siusalukis.com. You might want to research things before spouting off your misinformation.
I wanted Coupet to drive the basket more and about mid year he did pick it up a little. However, it surprised me that with his athleticism and length he was not that good when he got to the rim. He didn't seem to have the moves to avoid the defense. That being said, I would take another Coupet next year.
We are simply challenged on offense and have to get more athletic. That was known last year and we targeted some good PG's, including Terry Roberts, who was probably Bradley's best player this year. We obviously missed on all the PG targets, but did get a high impact transfer in Coupet.
It is imperative we get an athletic, scoring PG and an athletic wing with size. We need a 6'5"-6'8" athletic wing in the mold of a Donovan Clay. If we could get our #1 PG target in Moore and an athletic wing I think we can do some real damage next year if our core returns. I am trusting Rockin Dawg's opinion that Ebube is going to come in and make an impact next year, so I think we will be ok in the post. I am guessing 1 scholarship will open up so we can get the second badly needed piece to this equation.
Nothing against Coupet, he had his moments, but he was far from “high impact”. For all the talk about how unfair it was that other teams had 5th year Seniors, he was a 5th year Senior and didn’t make the All-Newcomer team over guys that weren’t 5th year guys. Thought he had a shot at it over Kobe King but just wasn’t consistent enough or possibly used correctly.
You are sorely diminishing the impact Coupet had on this team. He was:
21st in the mvc in scoring at 11 ppg
Near the top of the mvc in 3 point fg% at .411
16th in the mvc in 3 pt. FG per game at 1.7
20th in th mvc in rebounding at 4.6 per game
Shot .761 from the FT line
He was by far our most athletic player. To say he didn't have a major impact is way off in my opinion. We would have been in much worse shape without him. He went off in more than a few games that we most certainly would have lost without him. I think we would be incredibly happy to take a transfer who gives us the above stats every year! Statistically he and Domask were our most well rounded players this year. That is not to diminish Lance Jones who is a great player, but Lance didn't shoot as well as usual due to injury. I'm not saying he was better than Lance, just more complete statistically.
He was the distant 3rd best player on a .500 team. Thought he could have been used better with his athleticism getting to the rim more.
We talk a lot about older teams in the league and it’s likely SIU might be even younger next year even with Domask & Jones being Seniors. Other teams are still going to be old with returning 5th year Seniors, SIU will have none barring a transfer. It’s why I keep wondering if next year is gonna be more excuses.
I said he was a "high impact" player. This refers to him being a "high impact" player to his team. I didn't say anything about him being one of the best players in the league. If bringing in an athlete who is the 3rd best player on your team, who shoots lights out from 3, lights out from the ft line, scores, rebounds, and who is (by far) the most athletic player on your team does not constitute high impact, then I do not know what does!
Coupet was not lights out from the FT line. He was like the 8th best FT shooter on the team % wise.
Again, he was also a 24 year old in his 6th year of college basketball which makes his stats pretty unimpressive.
You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Coupet was 3rd on the team in FT%. Domask .824, Banks .769, Coupet .761. He was 67-88 from the line. Most folks will agree .761 is a very good FT% in college basketball. My source is siusalukis.com. You might want to research things before spouting off your misinformation.
Verplancken 1.00%. D'Avanzo .8%. Trent Brown 1.00%(granted only 2 attempts but 77% for his career).
And you didn't say "very good". You said "lights out" which he wasn't by any stretch.
Coupet was a 6th year Senior in his mid 20s. He wasn't particularly impressive as a player.
Brown shot 2 FT and Verplancken 8, and D'Avanzo 20. None of them are qualify to be considered according to ncaa qualification requirements.
"Free Throws Made: To qualify, a player must be on pace to play in 75% of their team's games and average more than 2.5 free throw attempts per game."
Regardless, Coupet shot .761% from the free throw line. That is a very good clip.
There wasn’t much to like about this game, but I was proud to see Domask come out with an aggressive approach offensively right from the get-go. There were many times this season when he was too passive, but he finished the season strong. If he had some more help, I think he was primed for a big weekend.
Seriously? Three pages of arguing over whether Coupet was “high impact” or just “impact?” 😉
It's felt like SIU has gotten the wrong matchup in St. Louis every year now and the results actually come up that way. 7 straight years the team that's beaten SIU has made it to Championship Sunday. And only 2 of those losses came on Saturday, 5 on Friday.
2022: Drake Friday
2021: Loyola (won Championship) Friday
2020: Bradley (won Championship) Friday
2019: Northern Iowa (lost Championship) Friday
2018: Illinois State (lost Championship) Saturday
2017: Illinois State (lost Championship) Saturday
2016: Northern Iowa (won Championship) Friday
If you keep going, in 2015 they lost to Wichita State who still made the Tournament but lost on Saturday. In 2014, they lost to Indiana State on Saturday who lost to undefeated Wichita.
SIU just has no luck in St. Louis with performance and who they actually play.
@insaluki I think OLE BALL COACH was fairly criticized, BUT I think that Mullins isn’t held to the same standard.
This has all the makings of the Muller situation at ISU. Things will get too bad, and it will be too tough for SIU to pull the trigger when they need to. (Please don’t construe this as negative. I’m just saying what it FEELS like. I hope to God it isn’t)
I agree he was fairly criticized but he wasn't even given a chance on Day 1 from 90% of the people on here. I honestly believe that some actually wanted him to fail before he coached his first game, which is insane. Regardless of the coaches last name, regardless if you think they're smart, cool, etc. you should hold them all to the same standard. And the standard that I'm talking about is WINNING !!!
We are weak at C and 2G (when Jones isn’t playing there). Hopefully, Ebube and Wonders will shore that up. And I’m so damn sick of people saying they “weren’t good enough to play this year, so don’t expect much.” Ebube is by far the best big man on the team RIGHT NOW and Wonders is the best shooter.
We need a scoring PG with that open scholly. If another one opens up, we need an athletic scoring SF or PF. Then maybe we could all have a little more confidence going into next season.
You may be sick of hearing it, but that doesn't mean you're correct. I've said this multiple times.........Foster HIMSELF said he was 'shocked' at how fast the college game was and admitted he wasn't ready. That is coming from the player's own mouth. And the reality is, if either one of those players had a chance at being an all conference player this season, there is no circumstance that would have had them redshirt (not including medical of course). Don't misconstrue my statement, I am NOT saying they won't be good enough to have a positive impact next season, but what I'm saying is, that is they were good enough to play this year, they would have been playing.
We are weak at C and 2G (when Jones isn’t playing there). Hopefully, Ebube and Wonders will shore that up. And I’m so damn sick of people saying they “weren’t good enough to play this year, so don’t expect much.” Ebube is by far the best big man on the team RIGHT NOW and Wonders is the best shooter.
We need a scoring PG with that open scholly. If another one opens up, we need an athletic scoring SF or PF. Then maybe we could all have a little more confidence going into next season.
You may be sick of hearing it, but that doesn't mean you're correct. I've said this multiple times.........Foster HIMSELF said he was 'shocked' at how fast the college game was and admitted he wasn't ready. That is coming from the player's own mouth. And the reality is, if either one of those players had a chance at being an all conference player this season, there is no circumstance that would have had them redshirt (not including medical of course). Don't misconstrue my statement, I am NOT saying they won't be good enough to have a positive impact next season, but what I'm saying is, that is they were good enough to play this year, they would have been playing.
I think there is some gray area here. The comments you refer to from Wonders, were they describing how he felt when he first got on campus in the summer? During fall workouts? By mid-November when the season was starting? It's entirely possible he felt overwhelmed his first couple months on campus but could have been ready to contribute as the season unfolded, especially given the weak guardplay for much of the season, the injury to Brown, Harvey's illness, etc. Similarly, the bar for post play wasn't very high this year, so it's not hard to envision Ebube having added something to the mix that other guys weren't able to. In fact, by the last month of the season, Mullins was taking every opportunity possible to play without a post on the floor.
The reality is we don't know if Wonders and/or Ebube would have improved the team this year; it's entirely possible they weren't ready to help much or at all, but it's just a hypothetical. We do know the results with the older players got the team to sixth place and one-and-done in St. Louis. Hopefully playing the long game with Wonders and Ebube pays off down the road ... what's become very clear is this team needs them to emerge as impact players, starting next season.
@insaluki I think OLE BALL COACH was fairly criticized, BUT I think that Mullins isn’t held to the same standard.
This has all the makings of the Muller situation at ISU. Things will get too bad, and it will be too tough for SIU to pull the trigger when they need to. (Please don’t construe this as negative. I’m just saying what it FEELS like. I hope to God it isn’t)I agree he was fairly criticized but he wasn't even given a chance on Day 1 from 90% of the people on here. I honestly believe that some actually wanted him to fail before he coached his first game, which is insane. Regardless of the coaches last name, regardless if you think they're smart, cool, etc. you should hold them all to the same standard. And the standard that I'm talking about is WINNING !!!
Memory is a funny thing; that's not how I remember it at all. There was some head-scratching for sure, including from me, but I think people mostly came around to the hire or were at least willing to give it's chance.
I think Spike might have been there only person who was resolutely against it from the get-go. I even remember arguing against him about whether MoSt had been shafted in 2006, and I know there were plenty of others. Turns out he was right, or at least I have come around to accepting his viewpoint.
Unfortunately, I don't think there is an archive of that old site, so there's no way to prove or disprove what either of us says. But I am POSITIVE that 90 percent of people were not hoping for him to fail.
Sorry, but that's absurd.
(Inflammatory political snark)
From what I remember, the general consensus of the Berry hire is people weren't thrilled but were willing to give it a chance. I can't remember what other names were mentioned besides Bruce Weber who was just fired by Illinois but ended up getting the Kansas State job obviously. I think I've asked before and have gotten an answer but what were the other names interviewed besides Berry? Would be interesting to see how their careers turned out.
We knew the first few years would be rebuilding years because Lowery left a mess both academically and on the court but he did leave behind Desmar Jackson and Berry hired Anthony Beane Sr, which flipped his son from Illinois State.
SIU ended up winning 6 of 8 the first year and beat a ranked Wichita State team at home but seemed to run out of gas in St. Louis.
In the 2nd year you had the Berry rant after the Murray State road loss and Berry calling out Marcus Fillyaw for getting roasted by future NBA player Cameron Payne and then you had the bus breaking down in the snow after the road Illinois State game. But again SIU finished the season strong by winning 7 of their last 10 in the regular season and beating Seth Tuttle and Northern Iowa on Friday in St. Louis behind Desmar Jackson's career game.
I think we were all riding high after that season but it felt like things flipped that next season where they went 12-21 and suffered major turnover losing Jordan Caroline among others after 1 year. And then they lost to SIUe in year 4 and I think at that point people were off the wagon even though Berry had his best year by record.
From what I remember, the general consensus of the Berry hire is people weren't thrilled but were willing to give it a chance. I can't remember what other names were mentioned besides Bruce Weber who was just fired by Illinois but ended up getting the Kansas State job obviously. I think I've asked before and have gotten an answer but what were the other names interviewed besides Berry? Would be interesting to see how their careers turned out.
We knew the first few years would be rebuilding years because Lowery left a mess both academically and on the court but he did leave behind Desmar Jackson and Berry hired Anthony Beane Sr, which flipped his son from Illinois State.
SIU ended up winning 6 of 8 the first year and beat a ranked Wichita State team at home but seemed to run out of gas in St. Louis.
In the 2nd year you had the Berry rant after the Murray State road loss and Berry calling out Marcus Fillyaw for getting roasted by future NBA player Cameron Payne and then you had the bus breaking down in the snow after the road Illinois State game. But again SIU finished the season strong by winning 7 of their last 10 in the regular season and beating Seth Tuttle and Northern Iowa on Friday in St. Louis behind Desmar Jackson's career game.
I think we were all riding high after that season but it felt like things flipped that next season where they went 12-21 and suffered major turnover losing Jordan Caroline among others after 1 year. And then they lost to SIUe in year 4 and I think at that point people were off the wagon even though Berry had his best year by record.
Dan Muller was another finalist at that time. Believe Greg Gard also was in the mix but not sure if he pulled out or why that didn’t pan out.
I remember it being 50/50 on the hire, but everybody was willing to give it a shot. I think it was the team that started 20-4 but missed the tournament that gave people pause. It just seemed like he could never get to that next level. Let’s hope BM can get the guys to get us there next year
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From what I remember, the general consensus of the Berry hire is people weren't thrilled but were willing to give it a chance. I can't remember what other names were mentioned besides Bruce Weber who was just fired by Illinois but ended up getting the Kansas State job obviously. I think I've asked before and have gotten an answer but what were the other names interviewed besides Berry? Would be interesting to see how their careers turned out.
We knew the first few years would be rebuilding years because Lowery left a mess both academically and on the court but he did leave behind Desmar Jackson and Berry hired Anthony Beane Sr, which flipped his son from Illinois State.
SIU ended up winning 6 of 8 the first year and beat a ranked Wichita State team at home but seemed to run out of gas in St. Louis.
In the 2nd year you had the Berry rant after the Murray State road loss and Berry calling out Marcus Fillyaw for getting roasted by future NBA player Cameron Payne and then you had the bus breaking down in the snow after the road Illinois State game. But again SIU finished the season strong by winning 7 of their last 10 in the regular season and beating Seth Tuttle and Northern Iowa on Friday in St. Louis behind Desmar Jackson's career game.
I think we were all riding high after that season but it felt like things flipped that next season where they went 12-21 and suffered major turnover losing Jordan Caroline among others after 1 year. And then they lost to SIUe in year 4 and I think at that point people were off the wagon even though Berry had his best year by record.
Dan Muller was another finalist at that time. Believe Greg Gard also was in the mix but not sure if he pulled out or why that didn’t pan out.
Thank you, this seems like the answer I got last time. Two completely different outcomes there. Gard would have probably been a home run but doubt he’s still here if he got that job then. Muller would have been a bigger disaster than Berry probably.
@insaluki I think OLE BALL COACH was fairly criticized, BUT I think that Mullins isn’t held to the same standard.
This has all the makings of the Muller situation at ISU. Things will get too bad, and it will be too tough for SIU to pull the trigger when they need to. (Please don’t construe this as negative. I’m just saying what it FEELS like. I hope to God it isn’t)I agree he was fairly criticized but he wasn't even given a chance on Day 1 from 90% of the people on here. I honestly believe that some actually wanted him to fail before he coached his first game, which is insane. Regardless of the coaches last name, regardless if you think they're smart, cool, etc. you should hold them all to the same standard. And the standard that I'm talking about is WINNING !!!
It's not like Hinson was some unknown. He had coached in the conference for 9 years before coming to SIU and during his tenure Missouri State was never more than mediocre. He had never been even a passable recruiter nor in game coach to the point he couldn't even find an assistants job after his time in Springfield. People didn't want him to fail so much as knew he wouldn't be successful.
From what I remember, the general consensus of the Berry hire is people weren't thrilled but were willing to give it a chance. I can't remember what other names were mentioned besides Bruce Weber who was just fired by Illinois but ended up getting the Kansas State job obviously. I think I've asked before and have gotten an answer but what were the other names interviewed besides Berry? Would be interesting to see how their careers turned out.
We knew the first few years would be rebuilding years because Lowery left a mess both academically and on the court but he did leave behind Desmar Jackson and Berry hired Anthony Beane Sr, which flipped his son from Illinois State.
SIU ended up winning 6 of 8 the first year and beat a ranked Wichita State team at home but seemed to run out of gas in St. Louis.
In the 2nd year you had the Berry rant after the Murray State road loss and Berry calling out Marcus Fillyaw for getting roasted by future NBA player Cameron Payne and then you had the bus breaking down in the snow after the road Illinois State game. But again SIU finished the season strong by winning 7 of their last 10 in the regular season and beating Seth Tuttle and Northern Iowa on Friday in St. Louis behind Desmar Jackson's career game.
I think we were all riding high after that season but it felt like things flipped that next season where they went 12-21 and suffered major turnover losing Jordan Caroline among others after 1 year. And then they lost to SIUe in year 4 and I think at that point people were off the wagon even though Berry had his best year by record.
Dan Muller was another finalist at that time. Believe Greg Gard also was in the mix but not sure if he pulled out or why that didn’t pan out.
Thank you, this seems like the answer I got last time. Two completely different outcomes there. Gard would have probably been a home run but doubt he’s still here if he got that job then. Muller would have been a bigger disaster than Berry probably.
Not to derail the thread, but honestly, I’d have rather had Muller than Hinson (and obviously Gard way more than either). Muller did make three Arch Madness finals, three more than the guy Mario hired. And yes, he faded badly. Who knows if he would have done better or worse if at Southern. Anyways…
