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Posted by: @the-bobber

we can debate this about trent and scottie forever.  two sides to both stories.  i will tell you what is not debateable:  al pacino loses best actor in godfather II to art carney.  i am still not over that.

GO DAWGS!

Seriously, just keep winning games and I don’t care if Trent plays 40 minutes every night the rest of the season.  I think Trent is providing a lot of value this season even when he’s not scoring.  

 


   
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@rockin-dawg 

You misinterpreted my post, I apologize for not being clear.  It was a total team defensive effort….which is this teams strength.  Just pushing back against the Trent Brown hate. Just the complaining about playing time reminds me too much of high school basketball.  If Trent Brown plays 0 mins next game and Ebube plays 40 so be it.  Mullins has his flaws ie on the offensive end….however if he feels TB is our best shot on D, I have faith that is the the right call.  Mullins knows how to coach defense. Nobody was shooting it well last night 4/21 from 3 and TB hasn’t shot the ball well the last few games.  Teams have enough tape on the Salukis now where scouting and minute adjustments will be key.  It seemed more in this game than others when X drove the help defender came from somewhere other than the corners where the shooters set up a lot of the time and caused a few more turnovers than normal.


   
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@rockin-dawg 

You misinterpreted my post, I apologize for not being clear.  It was a total team defensive effort….which is this teams strength.  Just pushing back against the Trent Brown hate. Just the complaining about playing time reminds me too much of high school basketball.  If Trent Brown plays 0 mins next game and Ebube plays 40 so be it.  Mullins has his flaws ie on the offensive end….however if he feels TB is our best shot on D, I have faith that is the the right call.  Mullins knows how to coach defense. Nobody was shooting it well last night 4/21 from 3 and TB hasn’t shot the ball well the last few games.  Teams have enough tape on the Salukis now where scouting and minute adjustments will be key.  It seemed more in this game than others when X drove the help defender came from somewhere other than the corners where the shooters set up a lot of the time and caused a few more turnovers than normal.

Please don't go the lazy route and say those of us who don't think Trent Brown playing every last second makes sense are showing "hate."

I understand the reasons why Mullins likes having Trent on the floor, but it's pretty wild for anyone to play 40 minutes a game in consecutive games, let alone someone who, for his many strengths, also has some limitations in his game. Go watch the last 8 minutes of the first half from last night ... it wasn't good and he was probably a bit fatigued. That type of workload for Trent certainly won't be viable at Arch Madness when you might have to win four games in four days, so you better develop your bench if you want to win in St. Louis.

And there also is an opportunity cost of others guys (Davis, Miller, Stulic) having limited opportunity/stunting their development if there is going to be no subbing at the 2, especially with Ferguson's minutes likely to keep going up.

 

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@rockin-dawg 

You misinterpreted my post, I apologize for not being clear.  It was a total team defensive effort….which is this teams strength.  Just pushing back against the Trent Brown hate. Just the complaining about playing time reminds me too much of high school basketball.  If Trent Brown plays 0 mins next game and Ebube plays 40 so be it.  Mullins has his flaws ie on the offensive end….however if he feels TB is our best shot on D, I have faith that is the the right call.  Mullins knows how to coach defense. Nobody was shooting it well last night 4/21 from 3 and TB hasn’t shot the ball well the last few games.  Teams have enough tape on the Salukis now where scouting and minute adjustments will be key.  It seemed more in this game than others when X drove the help defender came from somewhere other than the corners where the shooters set up a lot of the time and caused a few more turnovers than normal.

Please don't go the lazy route and say those of us who don't think Trent Brown playing every last second makes sense are showing "hate."

I understand the reasons why Mullins likes having Trent on the floor, but it's pretty wild for anyone to play 40 minutes a game in consecutive games, let alone someone who, for his many strengths, also has some limitations in his game. Go watch the last 8 minutes of the first half from last night ... it wasn't good and he was probably a bit fatigued. That type of workload for Trent certainly won't be viable at Arch Madness when you might have to win four games in four days, so you better develop your bench if you want to win in St. Louis.

And there also is an opportunity cost of others guys (Davis, Miller, Stulic) having limited opportunity/stunting their development if there is going to be no subbing at the 2, especially with Ferguson's minutes likely to keep going up.

 

It just seems a lot of grumbling about playing time.  My opinion Miller isn’t a 2, and Stulic hasn’t looked good lately and I don’t think he did last night. In aclose game like most Valley games are, coaches are going to lean on the ones they feel most comfortable with.

As for the lazy route….I think my posts in this topic have been far from lazy….I may be wrong though.

 

 

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@rockin-dawg 

You misinterpreted my post, I apologize for not being clear.  It was a total team defensive effort….which is this teams strength.  Just pushing back against the Trent Brown hate. Just the complaining about playing time reminds me too much of high school basketball.  If Trent Brown plays 0 mins next game and Ebube plays 40 so be it.  Mullins has his flaws ie on the offensive end….however if he feels TB is our best shot on D, I have faith that is the the right call.  Mullins knows how to coach defense. Nobody was shooting it well last night 4/21 from 3 and TB hasn’t shot the ball well the last few games.  Teams have enough tape on the Salukis now where scouting and minute adjustments will be key.  It seemed more in this game than others when X drove the help defender came from somewhere other than the corners where the shooters set up a lot of the time and caused a few more turnovers than normal.

Please don't go the lazy route and say those of us who don't think Trent Brown playing every last second makes sense are showing "hate."

I understand the reasons why Mullins likes having Trent on the floor, but it's pretty wild for anyone to play 40 minutes a game in consecutive games, let alone someone who, for his many strengths, also has some limitations in his game. Go watch the last 8 minutes of the first half from last night ... it wasn't good and he was probably a bit fatigued. That type of workload for Trent certainly won't be viable at Arch Madness when you might have to win four games in four days, so you better develop your bench if you want to win in St. Louis.

And there also is an opportunity cost of others guys (Davis, Miller, Stulic) having limited opportunity/stunting their development if there is going to be no subbing at the 2, especially with Ferguson's minutes likely to keep going up.

 

It just seems a lot of grumbling about playing time.  My opinion Miller isn’t a 2, and Stulic hasn’t looked good lately and I don’t think he did last night. In aclose game like most Valley games are, coaches are going to lean on the ones they feel most comfortable with.

As for the lazy route….I think my posts in this topic have been far from lazy….I may be wrong though.

 

 

Ha, your posts are good! Just thought the “hate” label is silly.

 


   
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Brown brings a lot of intangibles that Mullins loves. Defense, floor leadership, very few turnovers, etc. When he is shooting well he is a pretty big asset. He definitely gets posted up and backed down by bigger more athletic guards and on switches. He is good at fronting his opponent, but can get beat easily in the post. There is good and bad in every player. He is astronomically more of an asset this year than last. I wouldn't mind seeing a few of his minutes go to Ferguson at the 2 with Davis at the 3 so those two can play together. As has been said previously, matchups are everything. That includes Ebube's minutes. Ebube needs to be playing more when we are matched up against big, back to the basket type 5's. He doesn't need to be defending athletic, quicker 5's with range. 

In my opinion Ferguson is the key as to how far this team can go. We already know X is our best player. He is our most valuable player, hands down. However, when Ferguson was out we missed a taller, athletic wing who can get his own shot and get to the rim. From here on out if opponents keys on X I think Ferguson can get a bucket for us. He is also a good defender and rebounder who can get steals. His block late in last nights game was an athletic thing of beauty and pretty much sealed the win for us. As I have said before, I don't think it can be understated how important it is to have AJ back.


   
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Posted by: @johnny-utah

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The benefits of Ebube on offense are outweighed by his defense? 

Avila is basically a big guard?

This is getting just plain silly. Now we have people praising Mullins' small lineup and under- utilization of the bigs.

Without Ebube's offense in the second half we don't win that game.

First time Belmont had the ball Dia was at the top of the key and he drove down the lane like a guard and laid it in. Did that more than once.

Avila is no guard!!

 

 

 

Nobody is praising the small line ups. Dia shoots 30% from the perimeter. Avila shoots 44% SE is not quick enough to guard around the perimeter.....if you noticed Dia shooting last night he had all day to shoot and basically shot a set shot. Avila will kill us if that is the case. I guess you didn't see where I had no complaints with Ebube last night. Yes he was needed to win...100% you are correct. Do I think you can just roll him out there and not worry about the match ups....no. Avila is a big man who can knock down threes and score around the perimeter.....can SE do a good job of stopping that? Highly unlikely....if he comes out and shows he can do it, I'll eat crow and own up to it.

Not sure that post was a praising of the coach.  SE should have played more in the Peay game…100%. Should we find some PT for him against ISU, yep.  I just feel we will lose more than gain if he is having to guard bigs around the perimeter.

Avila has averaged 1.454545454545455‬ made threes per game. Doesn't take many. No biggie. There's almost nobody that can stop a 6'10" guy from shooting a three without fouling, but good defensive technique can stop a 6'10" guy from leaving you in the dust when he drives the basket from out there.

Avila is averaging about 15 pts/game while Dia is averaging 21/game.

In our blowout at InSU:

Avila had 9 pts, 2 rbs, 2 blocks in 23 minutes.

Rupert had 16 pts, 10 rbs, and 3 blocks in 26 minutes.

Ebube only played 7 minutes. We could have used his offense.

Brown had 0 pts, 5 rbs, no assists, no steals in 26 minutes.

I'm not worried about Avila. Swope, Conwell (who didn't play in the first game), Bledson, Larry yes.

 

IMO Ruperbube should be getting 40 minutes in just about every game. Some of Brown's minutes, especially when he's brick laying, should go to other guys. I'd like to see Sharp getting some minutes too.

 


   
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Hey Coach Casey, you’re ohhh and two now in front of that ol’ Arena Magic. 

What was the matter, Coach? You had 8’clock dinner reservations on the Strip!? 

I can’t wait until we go to their place. It’s a small venue that holds about 4000 people, so any respectable Saluki “away crowd” will echo up and down that place.

 

Vince Gill frequents their games and sits right behind the bench. He’ll be so startled he’ll write a song entitled, “This doesn’t look like the Oh Vee Cee Anymore!”  😎 


   
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Hopefully the ref that tossed him will also do that game! 😀 


   
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@johnny-utah 

I 100% agree with others that Brown playing every minute is too much, for multiple reasons, but I also think there are some fans on here that consistently target him, for whatever reason.  I do think, however, that as AJF gets back in game shape (which is now or soon) we will be seeing Brown's minutes decrease into the low 30's. 

 

 


   
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@johnny-utah 

I 100% agree with others that Brown playing every minute is too much, for multiple reasons, but I also think there are some fans on here that consistently target him, for whatever reason.  I do think, however, that as AJF gets back in game shape (which is now or soon) we will be seeing Brown's minutes decrease into the low 30's. 

 

 

I will have no problem with that at all. 

 


   
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There is not a single person on this website who "hates" Brown. Can we just stop talking like children here? 

 

(Inflammatory political snark)


   
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Posted by: @austinsaluki

There is not a single person on this website who "hates" Brown. Can we just stop talking like children here? 

 

Yes sir, Mr. Austin

Hate is a bad word and it shouldn’t be used.

 

Hate= Constantly bitching about same player over and over. 

 


   
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Trent was fantastic outside of struggling from 3... He played a great game. paint touches leading to buckets, great hands on defense, active in gaps and help defense, good movement on offense, under control, in position boxing out guys much bigger than him... Sometimes I am not sure what you all are watching.


   
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Trent was playing excellent defense on Tyson for most of the game harassed him to being frustrated and didn't play well sure Tyson made a couple of threes and used his size once or twice but his overall numbers were way down from his averages and also  Gillespie was below his also and overall as a team Belmont was held 18 points below their average so a great effort on team defense and Trent is the QB making sure the team is in the right position so him being an extra coach on the floor is at times much needed and while would like to see him make a 3 his value shows up in other ways


   
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