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Barkeep 1967
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I put my review in premium. As you can imagine I’m a bit miffed we lost to a bunch of crack heads 


   
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I don't think Jones is the type of person who wants to see his college basketball story end with such a painful last chapter. I may be wrong, but I think having such a lousy year would be reason enough to return. I have never met Mr. Jones, but you can tell by his actions on the floor, he is a demon on defense. I am sure opposing players think "oh shit" when he is guarding them.  I don't it matters to much to Lance whether they are 8" taller than him or 8" shorter than him, he is gonna guard you tighter than your 8th grade jock strap. With an attitude like that, I think to have everybody from TV announcers to the guys like me talking about his lousy shooting is not how he wants to be remembered. " It will stick in Lance's craw too much to allow him to just clean out his locker and become a civilian.  For that reason, unless we just have a marvelous run in Lou and make it to the big dance (unlikely), I think Jones comes back.


   
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If he actually told Bryan he did not want to go back in the game. He lost my and a whole of other peoples respect. Quitting on your team is not a good look 


   
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i doubt he would say that and even if so i dont see how that info would ever get out.  likely was just benched because he played horrible.  it happens. bummer to think of the coulda shoulda wouldas cause if he had played a D or C minus game we win easily.  hopefully he realizes he is just out of control too often and it kills us. one can be aggressive and not take a cheerleaders head off with the ball. im sure he will bounce back, we may never see awesome lance this year but hopefully see a good or decent lance.


   
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As others have said,this one really hurt. I take that to mean the program is headed in the right direction after so many years of ho hum,another loss.

As far as the assertion that Bradley is the better team---NUTS. Saluki defense was /is better---- Bradley was guarding a notably less than potent offense. I agree Drake is the best team in the MVC, but Dawgs will beat Bradley in StL if Jones is back. This loss was all about Jones not being Jones.


   
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Posted by: @enuf

As far as the assertion that Bradley is the better team---NUTS. Saluki defense was /is better---- Bradley was guarding a notably less than potent offense. I agree Drake is the best team in the MVC, but Dawgs will beat Bradley in StL if Jones is back. This loss was all about Jones not being Jones.

Bradley is 79th in KenPom and 37th in adjusted defense

SIU is 135th in KenPom and 62nd in adjusted defense

It's not really close overall because Bradley has the 132nd ranked offense, SIU has the 249th ranked offense.

If this team wants to sniff postseason play anytime soon, Mullins has got to figure out the offense without sacrificing the defense.

 


   
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Posted by: @salukiworld

Posted by: @enuf

As far as the assertion that Bradley is the better team---NUTS. Saluki defense was /is better---- Bradley was guarding a notably less than potent offense. I agree Drake is the best team in the MVC, but Dawgs will beat Bradley in StL if Jones is back. This loss was all about Jones not being Jones.

Bradley is 79th in KenPom and 37th in adjusted defense

SIU is 135th in KenPom and 62nd in adjusted defense

It's not really close overall because Bradley has the 132nd ranked offense, SIU has the 249th ranked offense.

If this team wants to sniff postseason play anytime soon, Mullins has got to figure out the offense without sacrificing the defense.

 

You guys treat kenpom like it's the freaking bible. I don't put that much stock in it. I use the eye test and it tells me 
SIU's defense is as good or better than Bradley's. We had a lead late at Bradley and we had a lead late yesterday. We didn't play that well in either game. We can beat Bradley. Fuk Kenpom and Fuk the metrics, give me a freaking break on both! Finish with 2 wins and go out and win the freaking MVC tourney!

 


   
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Posted by: @resaluki-88

Posted by: @salukiworld

Posted by: @enuf

As far as the assertion that Bradley is the better team---NUTS. Saluki defense was /is better---- Bradley was guarding a notably less than potent offense. I agree Drake is the best team in the MVC, but Dawgs will beat Bradley in StL if Jones is back. This loss was all about Jones not being Jones.

Bradley is 79th in KenPom and 37th in adjusted defense

SIU is 135th in KenPom and 62nd in adjusted defense

It's not really close overall because Bradley has the 132nd ranked offense, SIU has the 249th ranked offense.

If this team wants to sniff postseason play anytime soon, Mullins has got to figure out the offense without sacrificing the defense.

 

You guys treat kenpom like it's the freaking bible. I don't put that much stock in it. I use the eye test and it tells me 
SIU's defense is as good or better than Bradley's. We had a lead late at Bradley and we had a lead late yesterday. We didn't play that well in either game. We can beat Bradley. Fuk Kenpom and Fuk the metrics, give me a freaking break on both! Finish with 2 wins and go out and win the freaking MVC tourney!

 

What does the eye test tell you about Southern’s offense? 😆 

 


   
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Posted by: @siudawgs

Posted by: @resaluki-88

Posted by: @salukiworld

Posted by: @enuf

As far as the assertion that Bradley is the better team---NUTS. Saluki defense was /is better---- Bradley was guarding a notably less than potent offense. I agree Drake is the best team in the MVC, but Dawgs will beat Bradley in StL if Jones is back. This loss was all about Jones not being Jones.

Bradley is 79th in KenPom and 37th in adjusted defense

SIU is 135th in KenPom and 62nd in adjusted defense

It's not really close overall because Bradley has the 132nd ranked offense, SIU has the 249th ranked offense.

If this team wants to sniff postseason play anytime soon, Mullins has got to figure out the offense without sacrificing the defense.

 

You guys treat kenpom like it's the freaking bible. I don't put that much stock in it. I use the eye test and it tells me 
SIU's defense is as good or better than Bradley's. We had a lead late at Bradley and we had a lead late yesterday. We didn't play that well in either game. We can beat Bradley. Fuk Kenpom and Fuk the metrics, give me a freaking break on both! Finish with 2 wins and go out and win the freaking MVC tourney!

 

What does the eye test tell you about Southern’s offense? 😆 

 

That it sucks, but having one of the best defenses in the country gives us a very good chance against anyone. If our underachieving offense clicks we can beat anyone.

 


   
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Guys, In fairness to Lance

, it appeared that he wasn’t feeling well and that’s why he remained out of the game. 
Let’s smoke ‘em Wednesday dawgs 


   
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Posted by: @siudawgs

Posted by: @resaluki-88

Posted by: @salukiworld

Posted by: @enuf

As far as the assertion that Bradley is the better team---NUTS. Saluki defense was /is better---- Bradley was guarding a notably less than potent offense. I agree Drake is the best team in the MVC, but Dawgs will beat Bradley in StL if Jones is back. This loss was all about Jones not being Jones.

Bradley is 79th in KenPom and 37th in adjusted defense

SIU is 135th in KenPom and 62nd in adjusted defense

It's not really close overall because Bradley has the 132nd ranked offense, SIU has the 249th ranked offense.

If this team wants to sniff postseason play anytime soon, Mullins has got to figure out the offense without sacrificing the defense.

 

You guys treat kenpom like it's the freaking bible. I don't put that much stock in it. I use the eye test and it tells me 
SIU's defense is as good or better than Bradley's. We had a lead late at Bradley and we had a lead late yesterday. We didn't play that well in either game. We can beat Bradley. Fuk Kenpom and Fuk the metrics, give me a freaking break on both! Finish with 2 wins and go out and win the freaking MVC tourney!

 

What does the eye test tell you about Southern’s offense? 😆 

 

 

 

whoa whoa whoa    Hold on here. 
this is a safe for work message board 

 

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You guys treat kenpom like it's the freaking bible. I don't put that much stock in it. I use the eye test and it tells me 

SIU's defense is as good or better than Bradley's. We had a lead late at Bradley and we had a lead late yesterday. We didn't play that well in either game. We can beat Bradley. Fuk Kenpom and Fuk the metrics, give me a freaking break on both! Finish with 2 wins and go out and win the freaking MVC tourney!

 

SIU gives up 61.4 points per game, Bradley gives up 61.2 points per game, so it's close there.  The main problem is SIU scores just 65.8 points per game (10th in the MVC) compared to Bradley's 71.3 points per game (4th in the MVC).

 


   
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I couldn't watch as i was away from TV but i had CBS Sports up and saw we had possession with a few seconds left. Stomach churning, but i appreciate the reports you guys that were that provided. Salukis are not an awful team, but this was a tough matchup.

I said it before this game, and i know i'm not the coach, but Jones shouldn't have taken a single 3pt shot yesterday. His statline is 0-6 all from 3. We all see he's struggling, Mullins does too.

For what it's worth, i hope Lance is ok but i'd rather see him sit the entire next game. Johnson/Newton can be the starting guards and we can go bigger and i'd argue at this point we wouldn't be losing anything just because of the poor attitude. Keep Domask and 2 bigs in the whole next game. When Domask needs a breather, there are enough player to go around for a few minutes at a time. Give Banks plenty of minutes, Wonders can get in, Brown is fine, and let Cade & Ebube both play!

If Jones is back next year, which i am definitely not opposed to, hopefully a long break in game action is enough to help him sort out whatever is going on.

If Lance sits the entire UNI game, we'll get blown out.

I really don't think Jones was feeling tip top that last game. Just didn't seem himself at all ... On either side of the ball.

 


   
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While the Bradley game was an extreme, Lance’s struggles have gone on much longer. He was scoreless well into the second half at Valpo the game before and his 3-point woes have persisted throughout the season, except for a few hot halves here and there. 

Most of his good play this year has come at the defensive end.

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I agree that Lance is essential to our chances of winning the MVC tourney crown.  He looked ill to me during warmups at the Bradley game.  He is an amazing competitor, and he is going to break out of this funk and hopefully he is feeling better soon, if he is ill.  


   
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