@oberkfell you done did it, now people are going to dissect "JB" as a code for initials of the next coach. This board is in shambles 🤠
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Now that is funny! If it is not a successful experienced head coach it will be the wrong guy according to the administrations own standards they set.
The administration said that’s what they’ll be looking for. That doesn’t mean it’s a promise to the fans, a guarantee of any sorts that that is what will happen. And they definitely didn’t say anything about anyone who would be “the wrong guy”.
Say for instance we hire a guy that doesn’t meet any of these qualities. Say we hire a guy whose name was dropped as the guy at the top of a wish list….even before the coach was fired. Put this on top of probably over half the people not wanting Mullins to be fired…put this on top of a total rebuild where more than likely going to have to endure a rough season or two.
It might just be me being a conspiracy theorist….but it won’t look good on the administration.
The longer this goes the more it feels like we might get okey doked. Hopefully I’m wrong…..so yes I feel there could be a wrong hire from the get go.
PS I’m really impartial to the Mullins firing. Get the reasons why he got canned but also aren’t as anti Mullins as some of you. Just want this to be a SIU hire and not a chancellor’s guy hire.
I think you nailed it there. We all want the best for our program. The fans want the best candidate to take us to the post season. So with the AD saying they are looking for A,B,C in their hire and it turns out that it wasn’t an SIU hire but a Chancellor hire , there is going to be some awful PO people who will be rightfully upset by the so called “Process”
I think Spradlin would have been a home run. If it is Johnson, it not only does not check the boxes laid out by the AD, but it most certainly would be someone hand-picked by an administrator playing AD.
Last time that happened, it was an unmitigated disaster. At best, you would have fired Mullins to buy a Lottery ticket.
Not only has Mr. Johnson never been a college head coach, this is only his second year as an assistant according to the A&M coaching bio. Before that, he was an operations/promotions guy.
I am assuming Buzz is endorsing him. A coach does that for one of two reasons. He wants to help him get a head coaching job…or he wants to clear a spot for someone he wants more. Happens a lot.
I still have PTSD from the Van Winkle hire, so please forgive my rant.😂
@salukiworld your missing my point. I know why he got canned. But as an outsider ( which I am trying to say what an outsider may think). When a potential coach looks at a future job. He looks at a plethora of different things. One is why did the last coach get canned. He sees that 42 wins in 2 years and is let go. As an outsider I don’t looked at his schedule and and how he did against teams in his career. I see 42 wins and being let go.
It is a legitimate question that I would ask myself. Is this a place I want to coach at?You underestimate the egos of head coaches. They think they've got it all figured out most of the time so who cares what happened to the last guy. There's only so many D1 gigs.
After CLo was let go and before Hinson was hired there was similar speculation about the quality & quantity of coaches and if SIU was a good opportunity. And in that time I had a convo with an old HS acquaintance that was then working in a management role for an AD at a school that is now in a P5 conference.
Two comments I recall from that conversation; successful & semi-successful coaches at all levels have big egos and think they can do a better job at any available opening, many can be counted on to reach-out to the AD about openings. And the amount of money available for the new coach will quickly sort out those who make the 2nd call to the AD; or the AD's follow-up call back to them as the ADs will quickly know who will be serious candidates based on the available salary money. And thus with her second comment she dashed my hope that maybe one of the then top UCONN assistants might get in the hunt as CLo's replacement was blown-away.
I'm certain Mr. Leonard heard from a large number of current HCs and top assistants that we would all be happy with as Bryan's replacement. I'm more certain that the few that are still in the hunt for the job, or on Leonard's short-list, can now could be counted with one-hand.
I don't have the slightest clue as to who they are now. But if it's some of the names being mentioned in these pages now, then we are getting what we deserve.
(She had a third observation about SIU's predicament in 2011... to get a top-tier assistant we would need to be in the - IIRC - neighborhood of $600K back then; in today's money that's probably $750 - $900K range.)
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is SIU the attractive job it once was. Again as I stated before. Last coach wins 42 games in 2 years and he gets canned. What is a new coach thinking now. Do I want to go there?
with nothing to show for it other than a couple wins against some decent teams.
The point I was attempting to make here.
Any coach interested in making a move looks at the new job as a whole.
1 are the facilities better here than what I have? 2. Is the administration here serious about the program. 3. How much of a rebuild is this going to take. 4. Why was the last coach let go. 5. Is the fan base passionate about the program. 6. What are the salary range and money that goes into the program (travel, assistant coaches salaries, recruiting budget, etc) 7 History of the program.
These questions are often thought about when pursuing a new HC job. It would be something coaches would think to ask themselves when going for an interview and maybe even ask during an interview.Yes coaches have egos, but also self preservation to keep them as a HC.
Just wanted to make a point what a coach might be looking at when job hunting!
Peace out!
I think most those interested coaches start their analysis with your point #6.
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@airdawg86 The salary range you listed is what I think would make us competitive for a guy like Spradlin. I think Southern should be able to make that happen.
Coaches are also going to look at the Missouri Valley as a great opportunity compared to most conferences. We’re likely going to lose 2 coaches this cycle to better jobs. The MVC has produced a lot of good coaches over the years. If you win in the MVC, you’re very attractive to bigger jobs compared to winning in a conference like the Ohio Valley.
I keep going back to the fact that Valpo was able to get Roger Powell Jr last cycle despite their garbage facilities
I finally found some talk among Morehead State fans (yes, apparently they do exist) about Spradlin. Link below.
Nothing groundbreaking, but they say the same thing I’ve been saying: I’m not sure, right now, all things considered, Southern is attractive enough for Spradlin (or someone in a similar position to him) to make the jump.
The only way I see it happening is if Leonard puts together one hell of a contract. Something in the ballpark of, say, 750K. That’s about triple his current salary at Morehead (250K) and would make him one of the highest paid coaches in the MVC.
For reference, Casey Alexander at Belmont is around 800K; Prohm at Murray is around 530K; Pedon at ISU is at 550K. All these guys have different resumes than Spradlin, but just for reference. I think Mullins was around 500K.
Just a hunch, but I do think SIU could pull that kind of salary off, and it’s possible they want to get back to relevance enough to make it happen.
Edit: Spradlin’s current salary might be closer to 300K.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ovcsports/what-now-t3601.html
I agree - if Spradlin is considering other options too, like WKU... then we will need to be north of $600K, closer to $750K for a Spradlin or similar current D1 HC candidate.
And I would like to think SIU would have the resources to pull-off that kind of package, but recent history makes me skeptical.
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We’re slowly slipping into madness. Honestly it’s incredible we paid Lowery the equivalent of about a million bucks a year in the mid 2000’s and now there’s discussion of paying $300,000 for our next coach. Shoulda coulda woulda. Missed opportunity of yesteryear.
I finally found some talk among Morehead State fans (yes, apparently they do exist) about Spradlin. Link below.
Nothing groundbreaking, but they say the same thing I’ve been saying: I’m not sure, right now, all things considered, Southern is attractive enough for Spradlin (or someone in a similar position to him) to make the jump.
The only way I see it happening is if Leonard puts together one hell of a contract. Something in the ballpark of, say, 750K. That’s about triple his current salary at Morehead (250K) and would make him one of the highest paid coaches in the MVC.
For reference, Casey Alexander at Belmont is around 800K; Prohm at Murray is around 530K; Pedon at ISU is at 550K. All these guys have different resumes than Spradlin, but just for reference. I think Mullins was around 500K.
Just a hunch, but I do think SIU could pull that kind of salary off, and it’s possible they want to get back to relevance enough to make it happen.
Edit: Spradlin’s current salary might be closer to 300K.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ovcsports/what-now-t3601.html
I agree - if Spradlin is considering other options too, like WKU... then we will need to be north of $600K, closer to $750K for a Spradlin or similar current D1 HC candidate.
And I would like to think SIU would have the resources to pull-off that kind of package, but recent history makes me skeptical.
Not sure what resources you think we have. We are a public university in a state that is in arguably the worst financial situations. We have no large corporations in the area, we have an enrollment that just became stable….which has dropped by 10k students?, in the last 20 or so years. We also have a chancellor that preaches financial stability. But yes if we can afford to shell out that money do it.
So it’s smithpeters Johnson or Kent Williams?
What about Brooks, or Young, or Middleton, or Harre, or... 😀
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When the coach is announced I expect another 70 page thread
When the coach is announced I expect another 70 page thread
Mullins_4_life will have 70 pages worth of posts themselves telling us how awful we'll be for eternity
