@spike TOTALLY agree with your comment about mids not playing each other while they complain about the schools that won't play them. TOTALLY agree. Especially the good mid-majors. While I hated calling games vs D-2s, I think every team is different and this one with 6 new players, no proven go to guy on offense, Hornecker hurt, Sharp hurt, Hensley ineligible, X less than 100%, and his back up unproven, needed a game they could worry about how to play together without the probability of losing. First real game without one half of your offense (Jones and Domask). Picked 9th because those 2 left. 0-1 and HOPING down road you learn more from losing to a better team than you do from just being 1-0...would have been hard. Plus they had scrimmaged Loyola and Western Ky. instead of playing D3 exhibition games. 4500 bought tickets (they announce tix sold not used). I wonder if half the roster had ever played in front of 3500 or more. Bryan's only scheduled one non D1 unlike several MVC teams. I think there were more positives than negatives playing that team.
Thank you and I genuinely hate being negative and repetitive.
I genuinely think it is just decades of this nonsense building up to anger. Especially when schools showed they were just lying for years as even with less games to schedule they are still scheduling D2s.
This isn't just a SIU thing. It is a major issue across mid majors that the NCAA desperately needs to step in and stop.
And to someone asking about SEMO I don't get it either. They play Evansville twice(once at home and once in an MTE) and 4...FOUR...non D1 schools. And not only 4 non D1, all 4 are NAIA schools. That is absolutely disgusting and insulting to their fanbase.
@spike TOTALLY agree with your comment about mids not playing each other while they complain about the schools that won't play them. TOTALLY agree. Especially the good mid-majors. While I hated calling games vs D-2s, I think every team is different and this one with 6 new players, no proven go to guy on offense, Hornecker hurt, Sharp hurt, Hensley ineligible, X less than 100%, and his back up unproven, needed a game they could worry about how to play together without the probability of losing. First real game without one half of your offense (Jones and Domask). Picked 9th because those 2 left. 0-1 and HOPING down road you learn more from losing to a better team than you do from just being 1-0...would have been hard. Plus they had scrimmaged Loyola and Western Ky. instead of playing D3 exhibition games. 4500 bought tickets (they announce tix sold not used). I wonder if half the roster had ever played in front of 3500 or more. Bryan's only scheduled one non D1 unlike several MVC teams. I think there were more positives than negatives playing that team.
Yes, and on top of that, from a fan's perspective, I think it's easier to be OK with this D2 opener when you have SLU and Oklahoma State coming into town next month as opposed to as part of a non-conference home schedule like last year's.
Exactly. I think Mullins deserves some criticism for his scheduling the first 4 seasons but this year’s schedule is the best we’ve seen since it went downhill under Lowery. I agree with Reis that the D2 game last night was a good thing for the team. I also think we should take nothing from the results other than they didn’t lose to them Ohio Dominican-style.
Here's how I would stop schools from this practice if I were the NCAA.
The first time you willingly schedule a non D1 school to a regular season game you are barred from any postseason play.
The second time, you forfeit your share of postseason conference revenue which will go to other schools in conference.
Third time, your program gets the death penalty.
And there is no grace period. Infractions don't fall off. You get 3 strikes that last in perpetuity.
4th strike NCAA reserves the right to either hit you with another death penalty or eliminate your program outright.
@spike TOTALLY agree with your comment about mids not playing each other while they complain about the schools that won't play them. TOTALLY agree. Especially the good mid-majors. While I hated calling games vs D-2s, I think every team is different and this one with 6 new players, no proven go to guy on offense, Hornecker hurt, Sharp hurt, Hensley ineligible, X less than 100%, and his back up unproven, needed a game they could worry about how to play together without the probability of losing. First real game without one half of your offense (Jones and Domask). Picked 9th because those 2 left. 0-1 and HOPING down road you learn more from losing to a better team than you do from just being 1-0...would have been hard. Plus they had scrimmaged Loyola and Western Ky. instead of playing D3 exhibition games. 4500 bought tickets (they announce tix sold not used). I wonder if half the roster had ever played in front of 3500 or more. Bryan's only scheduled one non D1 unlike several MVC teams. I think there were more positives than negatives playing that team.
great to hear from mike. hope retirement is going well. please be a regular here. i know you're gonne miss terre haute!
Kentucky beat them by 43. Tonight Kentucky beat New Mex. State by 40.
Kentucky played them in an exhibition for them, I wouldn't compare that to an actual regular season game. We'll know more about SIU on Friday against a decent Queens team.
Disagree. I saw a good part of that game. Sure looked like a regular game to me. UK started the starting 5 they used against NMSU and most of them played over 25 minutes. Most of the minutes went to their top 6 - 7 players. Cal sure didn't give his bench warmers much playing time.
KSU is obviously not a very good team. Queens lost 89 - 73 at Marshall tonight.
James Madison will be our first real challenge I imagine. They beat #4 Michigan St in East Lansing. 79 - 76 in OT.
The only thing I disagree with on the above is that I THINK Friday's game is going to be a real challenge and I would be pleasantly surprised if they dominated in that game. Here's hoping !!!! Let's Go Dawgs !!!!!!!!
Here's how I would stop schools from this practice if I were the NCAA.
The first time you willingly schedule a non D1 school to a regular season game you are barred from any postseason play.
The second time, you forfeit your share of postseason conference revenue which will go to other schools in conference.
Third time, your program gets the death penalty.
And there is no grace period. Infractions don't fall off. You get 3 strikes that last in perpetuity.
4th strike NCAA reserves the right to either hit you with another death penalty or eliminate your program outright.
Part of the benefit of scheduling non-D1 is it doesn't count against your NET ranking where scheduling a quad four at home is a no win situation...your NET is going down. If you make it count like a quad 4 game, they will stop scheduling them I'm sure.
The mid-majors getting together and doing something similar to the challenges we used to have with the Mountain West or the Bracket Busters would benefit ALL mid-majors greatly. The benefit being the teams aren't paired up until close to the game being played so you make sure you aren't killing anyone's NET by putting them with a team you expected to be good but tanked. Feels like such a no-brainer but you have to have other willing conferences sign up.
The problem is every mid-major conference doesn't want to give any other conference a leg up which is a stupid attitude to have (Mountain West probably feels they are closer to Power 6 than Mid-Major at this point). The big boys aren't going to do anything to help, so collectively they (they being the mid-major conferences) are going to have to do something to change that.
I always find it funny how the same people get on here after every win and read a few negative comments, leading them to accuse everyone on the board of being too pessimistic lol
I always find it funny how the same people get on here after every win and read a few negative comments, leading them to accuse everyone on the board of being too pessimistic lol
I think people were surprised we weren’t bouncing off the walls for beating a bad D2 team by 30. Outside of Ohio Dominican, I’ve seen bad Saluki teams destroy non-D1 teams yearly.
Queens isn’t amazing but I think it’s gonna be a good test for this team on Friday
I always find it funny how the same people get on here after every win and read a few negative comments, leading them to accuse everyone on the board of being too pessimistic lol
I think people were surprised we weren’t bouncing off the walls for beating a bad D2 team by 30. Outside of Ohio Dominican, I’ve seen bad Saluki teams destroy non-D1 teams yearly.
Queens isn’t amazing but I think it’s gonna be a good test for this team on Friday
I don’t think anyone expects people to take much from a D2 game. It’s the entire sarcastic tone about how much we’re terrible in a game we’re up 30. Like I said in my post. We may be terrible, but we don’t actually know that yet. We simply did what we were supposed to do last night.
Agree on previous comments that we shouldn't take much from a 20 or 30 point win against a D2 school, but IMO the same should be applied to secret scrimmage results (good or bad) as we have no idea what lineups were used and how minutes were split out, etc.
As for the game:
- How good could this team be if Trent and Stulic are consistent, 35%-40% 3-point shooters?
- Ebube still has such an enormously high ceiling; dude had 12 points in just 17 minutes, and that's even after missing 7 free throws.
- 5 different players, 2 of them off the bench, had 10+ points; interested to see how the PPG column on this roster settles in as we get into the non-conference.
