Clayton Hughes
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The last two years at Indiana State have been an amazing experience with an even better group of people! I couldn’t have asked for a better group of guys to hoop with.. but sadly, my time here has come to an end and I will be transfering to wherever God wants me next #onelove💜“
Clayton Hughes
“The last two years at Indiana State have been an amazing experience with an even better group of people! I couldn’t have asked for a better group of guys to hoop with.. but sadly, my time here has come to an end and I will be transfering to wherever God wants me next #onelove💜“
Not a big loss. His playing time and production were headed in the wrong direction.
Clayton Hughes
“The last two years at Indiana State have been an amazing experience with an even better group of people! I couldn’t have asked for a better group of guys to hoop with.. but sadly, my time here has come to an end and I will be transfering to wherever God wants me next #onelove💜“
Not a big loss. His playing time and production were headed in the wrong direction.
With that sort of message, I expect he's angling for a recruiting call from Liberty University 😉
(1) US COVID-19 statistics (February 29, 2020-June 16, 2020): 2,124,000 reported cases and 115,052 deaths
(2) Donald Trump (June 15, 2020) told a group of senior citizens that there would be very few cases of COVID-19 if the US stopped its testing and contact tracing: "If we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cases, actually."
(3) Donald Trump [(Jan 20, 2020), when asked if he's worried about a pandemic]: “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s — going to be just fine.”
decent player - not as good as Pippen - don't see an NBA future for him unless 7'1" signals backup
##Player gp-gs min avg fg-fga fg% 3fg-fga 3fg% ft-fta ft% off def tot avg pf dq a to blk stl pts avg
33Kavion Pippen 32-30 773 24.2 182-325 .560 1-3 .333 45-63 .714 48 130 178 5.6 91 2 51 76 63 21 410 12.8
21Derrik Smits 32-25 696 21.8 151-254 .594 0-1 .000 87-142 .613 64 119 183 5.7 95 3 25 63 31 14 389 12.2
These are the 2018-19 numbers. I am not as certain as you are that Pippen is a better player than Smits.
I would rate Pippen and his two years at SIU as a disappointment. You can argue as to the reason(s) for Pippen's lack of progress as a Saluki--coaching, player, player stamina...
Don't get me wrong. Pippen was a good player for SIU. I just thought he could have been better.
A disappointment, you can’t be serious.
As I wrote above:
Don't get me wrong. Pippen was a good player for SIU. I just thought he could have been better.
I was pleasantly surprised by Pippen - he improved a lot this year and showed flashes of some real talent.
In conference games (same opponents):
Pippen 13.9, Smits 12.4 ppg
Pippen 5.6, Smits 5.1 RBs
Pippen 2.3, Smits 0.5 blocks per game (Pippen led the league, Smits was not in the top 10)
Via eye test, it wasn't close IMO. Pippen was a considerably better player, and his shot blocking changed games. Pippen will make some bucks playing overseas if he wants to. Derek can live in his Dad's basement in Zionsville, play video games, and eat Cheetos! LOL
Via (my) eye test, it was close.
Agree to disagree.
In the four games between SIU and Valpo (last two years), SIU and Pippen were victorious in one; Valpo three (and both this year).
I expected, his senior year, for Pippen to (at times) dominate. And to be honest, he kinda did...for very short periods of time. But he could never sustain it.
I guess that's my point--Pippen was a good Saluki. Not a great one...as evidenced by the W-L record vs Valpo...who were/are as messy a squad as Hinson's...the past couple of years.
And I thought Pippen had a chance to be a great Saluki.
Obviously I'm not going to change your mind. I'd love to have a Pippen every year. We rarely get a decent big man. I don't blame any of those Valpo losses on Pippen. If I had one criticism, it would be that his rebounding could be better, but he was coached by Hinson so what do you expect?
Game 1: KP 14 pts, 1 rb, 0 blocks - DS 11 pts, 5 rb, 2 blocks
Game 2: KP 21 pts, 6 rbs, 1 block - DS 7 pts, 0 rbs, 1 block
Game 3: KP 7 pts, 4 rbs, 5 blocks - DS 11 pts, 4 rbs, 0 blocks
Game 4: KP 23 pts, 8 rbs, 2 blocks - DS 16 pts, 8 rbs, 1 block
decent player - not as good as Pippen - don't see an NBA future for him unless 7'1" signals backup
##Player gp-gs min avg fg-fga fg% 3fg-fga 3fg% ft-fta ft% off def tot avg pf dq a to blk stl pts avg
33Kavion Pippen 32-30 773 24.2 182-325 .560 1-3 .333 45-63 .714 48 130 178 5.6 91 2 51 76 63 21 410 12.8
21Derrik Smits 32-25 696 21.8 151-254 .594 0-1 .000 87-142 .613 64 119 183 5.7 95 3 25 63 31 14 389 12.2
These are the 2018-19 numbers. I am not as certain as you are that Pippen is a better player than Smits.
I would rate Pippen and his two years at SIU as a disappointment. You can argue as to the reason(s) for Pippen's lack of progress as a Saluki--coaching, player, player stamina...
Don't get me wrong. Pippen was a good player for SIU. I just thought he could have been better.
A disappointment, you can’t be serious.
As I wrote above:
Don't get me wrong. Pippen was a good player for SIU. I just thought he could have been better.
I was pleasantly surprised by Pippen - he improved a lot this year and showed flashes of some real talent.
In conference games (same opponents):
Pippen 13.9, Smits 12.4 ppg
Pippen 5.6, Smits 5.1 RBs
Pippen 2.3, Smits 0.5 blocks per game (Pippen led the league, Smits was not in the top 10)
Via eye test, it wasn't close IMO. Pippen was a considerably better player, and his shot blocking changed games. Pippen will make some bucks playing overseas if he wants to. Derek can live in his Dad's basement in Zionsville, play video games, and eat Cheetos! LOL
Via (my) eye test, it was close.
Agree to disagree.
In the four games between SIU and Valpo (last two years), SIU and Pippen were victorious in one; Valpo three (and both this year).
I expected, his senior year, for Pippen to (at times) dominate. And to be honest, he kinda did...for very short periods of time. But he could never sustain it.
I guess that's my point--Pippen was a good Saluki. Not a great one...as evidenced by the W-L record vs Valpo...who were/are as messy a squad as Hinson's...the past couple of years.
And I thought Pippen had a chance to be a great Saluki.
Obviously I'm not going to change your mind. I'd love to have a Pippen every year. We rarely get a decent big man. I don't blame any of those Valpo losses on Pippen. If I had one criticism, it would be that his rebounding could be better, but he was coached by Hinson so what do you expect?
Game 1: KP 14 pts, 1 rb, 0 blocks - DS 11 pts, 5 rb, 2 blocks
Game 2: KP 21 pts, 6 rbs, 1 block - DS 7 pts, 0 rbs, 1 block
Game 3: KP 7 pts, 4 rbs, 5 blocks - DS 11 pts, 4 rbs, 0 blocks
Game 4: KP 23 pts, 8 rbs, 2 blocks - DS 16 pts, 8 rbs, 1 block
Included in your last post: "I'd love to have a Pippen every year. We rarely get a decent big man."
I agree. Totally.
Pippen was the best big man SIU has had in decades...DECADES!
But still, I expected more...
Maybe my expectations were too high?
(1) US COVID-19 statistics (February 29, 2020-June 16, 2020): 2,124,000 reported cases and 115,052 deaths
(2) Donald Trump (June 15, 2020) told a group of senior citizens that there would be very few cases of COVID-19 if the US stopped its testing and contact tracing: "If we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cases, actually."
(3) Donald Trump [(Jan 20, 2020), when asked if he's worried about a pandemic]: “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s — going to be just fine.”
Your expectations may have been too high. The coaching staff, although somewhat challenged at properly evaluating talent, saw Pippen as a backup to Bol when they brought him in. From that perspective, I'd say he exceeded expectations. I don't fault Pippen for this teams underachievement and I do think he's better than Smits.
We've had three true game-changing big men this millennium; Roberts, Falker and Pippen.
--Insert something witty here--
decent player - not as good as Pippen - don't see an NBA future for him unless 7'1" signals backup
##Player gp-gs min avg fg-fga fg% 3fg-fga 3fg% ft-fta ft% off def tot avg pf dq a to blk stl pts avg
33Kavion Pippen 32-30 773 24.2 182-325 .560 1-3 .333 45-63 .714 48 130 178 5.6 91 2 51 76 63 21 410 12.8
21Derrik Smits 32-25 696 21.8 151-254 .594 0-1 .000 87-142 .613 64 119 183 5.7 95 3 25 63 31 14 389 12.2
These are the 2018-19 numbers. I am not as certain as you are that Pippen is a better player than Smits.
I would rate Pippen and his two years at SIU as a disappointment. You can argue as to the reason(s) for Pippen's lack of progress as a Saluki--coaching, player, player stamina...
Don't get me wrong. Pippen was a good player for SIU. I just thought he could have been better.
A disappointment, you can’t be serious.
As I wrote above:
Don't get me wrong. Pippen was a good player for SIU. I just thought he could have been better.
I was pleasantly surprised by Pippen - he improved a lot this year and showed flashes of some real talent.
In conference games (same opponents):
Pippen 13.9, Smits 12.4 ppg
Pippen 5.6, Smits 5.1 RBs
Pippen 2.3, Smits 0.5 blocks per game (Pippen led the league, Smits was not in the top 10)
Via eye test, it wasn't close IMO. Pippen was a considerably better player, and his shot blocking changed games. Pippen will make some bucks playing overseas if he wants to. Derek can live in his Dad's basement in Zionsville, play video games, and eat Cheetos! LOL
Via (my) eye test, it was close.
Agree to disagree.
In the four games between SIU and Valpo (last two years), SIU and Pippen were victorious in one; Valpo three (and both this year).
I expected, his senior year, for Pippen to (at times) dominate. And to be honest, he kinda did...for very short periods of time. But he could never sustain it.
I guess that's my point--Pippen was a good Saluki. Not a great one...as evidenced by the W-L record vs Valpo...who were/are as messy a squad as Hinson's...the past couple of years.
And I thought Pippen had a chance to be a great Saluki.
Obviously I'm not going to change your mind. I'd love to have a Pippen every year. We rarely get a decent big man. I don't blame any of those Valpo losses on Pippen. If I had one criticism, it would be that his rebounding could be better, but he was coached by Hinson so what do you expect?
Game 1: KP 14 pts, 1 rb, 0 blocks - DS 11 pts, 5 rb, 2 blocks
Game 2: KP 21 pts, 6 rbs, 1 block - DS 7 pts, 0 rbs, 1 block
Game 3: KP 7 pts, 4 rbs, 5 blocks - DS 11 pts, 4 rbs, 0 blocks
Game 4: KP 23 pts, 8 rbs, 2 blocks - DS 16 pts, 8 rbs, 1 block
Included in your last post: "I'd love to have a Pippen every year. We rarely get a decent big man."
I agree. Totally.
Pippen was the best big man SIU has had in decades...DECADES!
But still, I expected more...
Maybe my expectations were too high?
OK, as good as he was, he could have been even better. I was most disappointed in what appeared to be a lack of conditioning. Pippen seemed to run out of gas quickly and often.
decent player - not as good as Pippen - don't see an NBA future for him unless 7'1" signals backup
##Player gp-gs min avg fg-fga fg% 3fg-fga 3fg% ft-fta ft% off def tot avg pf dq a to blk stl pts avg
33Kavion Pippen 32-30 773 24.2 182-325 .560 1-3 .333 45-63 .714 48 130 178 5.6 91 2 51 76 63 21 410 12.8
21Derrik Smits 32-25 696 21.8 151-254 .594 0-1 .000 87-142 .613 64 119 183 5.7 95 3 25 63 31 14 389 12.2
These are the 2018-19 numbers. I am not as certain as you are that Pippen is a better player than Smits.
I would rate Pippen and his two years at SIU as a disappointment. You can argue as to the reason(s) for Pippen's lack of progress as a Saluki--coaching, player, player stamina...
Don't get me wrong. Pippen was a good player for SIU. I just thought he could have been better.
A disappointment, you can’t be serious.
As I wrote above:
Don't get me wrong. Pippen was a good player for SIU. I just thought he could have been better.
I was pleasantly surprised by Pippen - he improved a lot this year and showed flashes of some real talent.
In conference games (same opponents):
Pippen 13.9, Smits 12.4 ppg
Pippen 5.6, Smits 5.1 RBs
Pippen 2.3, Smits 0.5 blocks per game (Pippen led the league, Smits was not in the top 10)
Via eye test, it wasn't close IMO. Pippen was a considerably better player, and his shot blocking changed games. Pippen will make some bucks playing overseas if he wants to. Derek can live in his Dad's basement in Zionsville, play video games, and eat Cheetos! LOL
Via (my) eye test, it was close.
Agree to disagree.
In the four games between SIU and Valpo (last two years), SIU and Pippen were victorious in one; Valpo three (and both this year).
I expected, his senior year, for Pippen to (at times) dominate. And to be honest, he kinda did...for very short periods of time. But he could never sustain it.
I guess that's my point--Pippen was a good Saluki. Not a great one...as evidenced by the W-L record vs Valpo...who were/are as messy a squad as Hinson's...the past couple of years.
And I thought Pippen had a chance to be a great Saluki.
Obviously I'm not going to change your mind. I'd love to have a Pippen every year. We rarely get a decent big man. I don't blame any of those Valpo losses on Pippen. If I had one criticism, it would be that his rebounding could be better, but he was coached by Hinson so what do you expect?
Game 1: KP 14 pts, 1 rb, 0 blocks - DS 11 pts, 5 rb, 2 blocks
Game 2: KP 21 pts, 6 rbs, 1 block - DS 7 pts, 0 rbs, 1 block
Game 3: KP 7 pts, 4 rbs, 5 blocks - DS 11 pts, 4 rbs, 0 blocks
Game 4: KP 23 pts, 8 rbs, 2 blocks - DS 16 pts, 8 rbs, 1 block
Included in your last post: "I'd love to have a Pippen every year. We rarely get a decent big man."
I agree. Totally.
Pippen was the best big man SIU has had in decades...DECADES!
But still, I expected more...
Maybe my expectations were too high?
OK, as good as he was, he could have been even better. I was most disappointed in what appeared to be a lack of conditioning. Pippen seemed to run out of gas quickly and often.
"OK, as good as he was, he could have been even better. I was most disappointed in what appeared to be a lack of conditioning. Pippen seemed to run out of gas quickly and often. "
This. Over and over again. This.
(1) US COVID-19 statistics (February 29, 2020-June 16, 2020): 2,124,000 reported cases and 115,052 deaths
(2) Donald Trump (June 15, 2020) told a group of senior citizens that there would be very few cases of COVID-19 if the US stopped its testing and contact tracing: "If we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cases, actually."
(3) Donald Trump [(Jan 20, 2020), when asked if he's worried about a pandemic]: “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s — going to be just fine.”
Drake really got screwed this year. In my opinion they were the best team in The Valley this year and they didn't get invited to the NIT. That's terrible.
Is the Ohio Valley now a better conference than the Valley? I grew up loving the conference but it’s nowhere what it used to be. How can it be fixed?
Is the Ohio Valley now a better conference than the Valley? I grew up loving the conference but it’s nowhere what it used to be. How can it be fixed?
The top of the OVC was better than the MVC for sure. But the conference as a whole? Not even close. For one, SIUe didn’t even finish last in that conference.
Is the Ohio Valley now a better conference than the Valley? I grew up loving the conference but it’s nowhere what it used to be. How can it be fixed?
The top of the OVC was better than the MVC for sure. But the conference as a whole? Not even close. For one, SIUe didn’t even finish last in that conference.
Sagarin's rankings of the Valley Conferences: Missouri 13; Ohio 25. Good post Salukiworld!
(1) US COVID-19 statistics (February 29, 2020-June 16, 2020): 2,124,000 reported cases and 115,052 deaths
(2) Donald Trump (June 15, 2020) told a group of senior citizens that there would be very few cases of COVID-19 if the US stopped its testing and contact tracing: "If we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cases, actually."
(3) Donald Trump [(Jan 20, 2020), when asked if he's worried about a pandemic]: “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s — going to be just fine.”
Is the Ohio Valley now a better conference than the Valley? I grew up loving the conference but it’s nowhere what it used to be. How can it be fixed?
The top of the OVC was better than the MVC for sure. But the conference as a whole? Not even close. For one, SIUe didn’t even finish last in that conference.
Sagarin's rankings of the Valley Conferences: Missouri 13; Ohio 25. Good post Salukiworld!
Didn’t realize that! Good to see, but we can’t argue the Valley isn’t what it used it to be.
Bradley +18.5 vs. Michigan State
Loyola +8 vs. Creighton
Sagarin's rankings of the Valley Conferences: Missouri 13; Ohio 25. Good post Salukiworld!
Didn’t realize that! Good to see, but we can’t argue the Valley isn’t what it used it to be.
Interesting: MVC played 3 top 25 teams; OVC played a dozen or so. Top 50 is about the same. Neither conference won any, but OVC seems to get more respect or maybe they just try harder to schedule.
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