For that matter, it would be great to see us as the 1 seed and Belmont as the 2 and then play them in the championship game for the tournament win and autobid to NCAA. I don't think we get 2 teams in under any circumstances.
This scenario is obviously extremely unlikely, but IF SIU were somehow able to win out (would include a quad 1 win against Bradley should they stay top 75 in NET) and a couple Quad 2 wins, we might have an outside shot if they get to the championship game and lose to someone like Belmont who would also need to win out, or come close to winning out so the loss doesn't look bad. The opposite of that could happen with SIU beating Belmont in the championship and there would be a possibility there as well.
That's a lot of IFs obviously, but I think both teams would at least be in the conversation for an at large (both teams would have 25+ wins).
A mid major with a NET rating above 60 has a zero chance of getting an at large bid to the ncaa tourney. A mid major with a 45-60 NET rating has about a 1% chance. There will only be 1 ncaa tourney bid given to the mvc this year. SIU's best case scenario is to win the mvc regular season title and the auto NIT bid that goes with it, then hopefully win the mvc tourney. It would be nice heading into Arch Madness knowing we are going to the NIT at a minimum.For that matter, it would be great to see us as the 1 seed and Belmont as the 2 and then play them in the championship game for the tournament win and autobid to NCAA. I don't think we get 2 teams in under any circumstances.
This scenario is obviously extremely unlikely, but IF SIU were somehow able to win out (would include a quad 1 win against Bradley should they stay top 75 in NET) and a couple Quad 2 wins, we might have an outside shot if they get to the championship game and lose to someone like Belmont who would also need to win out, or come close to winning out so the loss doesn't look bad. The opposite of that could happen with SIU beating Belmont in the championship and there would be a possibility there as well.
That's a lot of IFs obviously, but I think both teams would at least be in the conversation for an at large (both teams would have 25+ wins).
@salukiworld Long way to go guys.
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For that matter, it would be great to see us as the 1 seed and Belmont as the 2 and then play them in the championship game for the tournament win and autobid to NCAA. I don't think we get 2 teams in under any circumstances.
This scenario is obviously extremely unlikely, but IF SIU were somehow able to win out (would include a quad 1 win against Bradley should they stay top 75 in NET) and a couple Quad 2 wins, we might have an outside shot if they get to the championship game and lose to someone like Belmont who would also need to win out, or come close to winning out so the loss doesn't look bad. The opposite of that could happen with SIU beating Belmont in the championship and there would be a possibility there as well.
That's a lot of IFs obviously, but I think both teams would at least be in the conversation for an at large (both teams would have 25+ wins).
The thing is, our NET still isn’t there. Go beat Bradley by 50 and get your net way up, and then we can have this conversation. No MVC team with a NET at 60+ is getting an at large regardless of conference record.
While this conversation is "fun", I stand by the "it's too early" comment. That being said, IF SIU were to WIN OUT and make it all the way to the MVC Championship game, they would have 26/27 wins and, while the NET isn't there, they very possibly could get special dispensation due to the fact that SIU's record at that point, when "fully healthy", is outstanding. They also still have name recognition and the Valley is like 12-1 in first round games, or something like that, since 2012 (don't quote me on that). Again though, not being negative, but they are not going to win out so this discussion is MOOT.
SIU’s inability to blow anyone out (besides 2 games against extremely bad teams) really hurts them in any KenPom/NET discussion. I’m enjoying the wins this season but they’ve got to figure out the offense past this season if they want to put themselves in a future at-large discussion.
But for now, just keep winning even if it’s by single digits every game.
Last season we were talking about SIU’s inability to win close games, now I’m talking about SIU’s inability to blow anyone out so improvement is being made 🤣
A mid major with a NET rating above 60 has a zero chance of getting an at large bid to the ncaa tourney. A mid major with a 45-60 NET rating has about a 1% chance. There will only be 1 ncaa tourney bid given to the mvc this year. SIU's best case scenario is to win the mvc regular season title and the auto NIT bid that goes with it, then hopefully win the mvc tourney. It would be nice heading into Arch Madness knowing we are going to the NIT at a minimum.For that matter, it would be great to see us as the 1 seed and Belmont as the 2 and then play them in the championship game for the tournament win and autobid to NCAA. I don't think we get 2 teams in under any circumstances.
This scenario is obviously extremely unlikely, but IF SIU were somehow able to win out (would include a quad 1 win against Bradley should they stay top 75 in NET) and a couple Quad 2 wins, we might have an outside shot if they get to the championship game and lose to someone like Belmont who would also need to win out, or come close to winning out so the loss doesn't look bad. The opposite of that could happen with SIU beating Belmont in the championship and there would be a possibility there as well.
That's a lot of IFs obviously, but I think both teams would at least be in the conversation for an at large (both teams would have 25+ wins).
I'm sure it already exists, but it would be cool to use a forecasting tool where one could project what a future NET score would be based on winning out or winning certain future match-ups. Of course, it would be impossible to be precise since every team's NET changes every day, but wonder if it exists on KenPom or elsewhere.
SIU’s inability to blow anyone out (besides 2 games against extremely bad teams) really hurts them in any KenPom/NET discussion. I’m enjoying the wins this season but they’ve got to figure out the offense past this season if they want to put themselves in a future at-large discussion.
But for now, just keep winning even if it’s by single digits every game.
Last season we were talking about SIU’s inability to win close games, now I’m talking about SIU’s inability to blow anyone out so improvement is being made 🤣
Absolutely! This is the biggest step forward I’ve seen us take as a program. I think if the key pieces stay, we should take the next step next year hopefully.
SIU’s inability to blow anyone out (besides 2 games against extremely bad teams) really hurts them in any KenPom/NET discussion. I’m enjoying the wins this season but they’ve got to figure out the offense past this season if they want to put themselves in a future at-large discussion.
But for now, just keep winning even if it’s by single digits every game.
Last season we were talking about SIU’s inability to win close games, now I’m talking about SIU’s inability to blow anyone out so improvement is being made 🤣
Agree on a few of the wins, a blowout would have been nice, but that part of the metric caps it at 10 points (at least for the NET)…so realistically that is the winning margin that matters. Other metrics like offensive efficiency are probably low along with our non-con. I still think with that run our NET would improve enough to get us in the conversation (Bradley twice, Drake, UNI, and Mo St). We would need to handle the other games with some authority.
Like others have said (including me earlier), it’s pretty far fetched to begin with and way too early for a realistic conversation about it. Just some fun banter. It all starts with taking care of business against the Redbirds Sunday!
Saluki Radio Flashback: SIU @ Illinois State 12/29/06
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IF we win out in the regular season and suddenly start blowing out the teams we should and make it to the MVCt championship and lose by 1 to Belmont AND OK St starts smashing everyone in sight then maybe, MAYBE we can realistically have this conversation.
This is how ridiculous the current rankings system is in college basketball. 68 best teams my ass. Just stupid.
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Our game at Missouri St was moved up to 1 pm so it didn’t clash with the Chiefs playoff game. This Sunday 2 pm start is pretty bad.
Going up against NFC championship game at 2.
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They’re the ones that can get us where we haven’t been in 15 years.
I don't think anyone who has a ticket for the game tomorrow at ISU will be going to the NFC championship game in Philadelphia as were as last week people were going to KC to watch football at the same scheduled time
