We do have an inside presence, but presently 13 feet, 6 inches and 510 lbs. of that presence is injured. What is your suggestion for remedying that?I remember back in the day when Southern list in the MVC tourney championship to Creighton by 34 made the dance and went to the sweet 16 things happen let's not panic
I remember that game. Weber said he tried everything he could think of, but the basketball Gods had ordered a Saluki shit show!
It happens. BUT we have to have an inside presence or it may happen a lot. More Rupert! (he needs to cure the fouling issue)
They're willingly sitting a 7 footer that's healthy and could be playing. I get not wanting to burn a year of him if Muila is back soon but can't use it as a crutch either.
My take on recruiting is still out. I know recruiting is just brutal and incredibly competitive. Domask was a great get. Jones was a BH recruit. Wonders, Ebube, Hornecker, and Davis could be great - have to wait in see. D'Amico is a solid player. I think Rupert needs minutes. He's quick, a good defender, and I think he could be an offensive threat if coached up.
Fact is, I guess I'm a bit concerned. Wait until February and see where we are.
IMO, Kennard Davis is the best player Mullins has recruited. We shall see next year.
That is not a valid reply. First you are criticizing the coaching staff for not playing him, BUT if Muila is back soon, no harm, no foul. You can't have it both ways.We do have an inside presence, but presently 13 feet, 6 inches and 510 lbs. of that presence is injured. What is your suggestion for remedying that?I remember back in the day when Southern list in the MVC tourney championship to Creighton by 34 made the dance and went to the sweet 16 things happen let's not panic
I remember that game. Weber said he tried everything he could think of, but the basketball Gods had ordered a Saluki shit show!
It happens. BUT we have to have an inside presence or it may happen a lot. More Rupert! (he needs to cure the fouling issue)
They're willingly sitting a 7 footer that's healthy and could be playing. I get not wanting to burn a year of him if Muila is back soon but can't use it as a crutch either.
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That is not a valid reply. First you are criticizing the coaching staff for not playing him, BUT if Muila is back soon, no harm, no foul. You can't have it both ways.We do have an inside presence, but presently 13 feet, 6 inches and 510 lbs. of that presence is injured. What is your suggestion for remedying that?I remember back in the day when Southern list in the MVC tourney championship to Creighton by 34 made the dance and went to the sweet 16 things happen let's not panic
I remember that game. Weber said he tried everything he could think of, but the basketball Gods had ordered a Saluki shit show!
It happens. BUT we have to have an inside presence or it may happen a lot. More Rupert! (he needs to cure the fouling issue)
They're willingly sitting a 7 footer that's healthy and could be playing. I get not wanting to burn a year of him if Muila is back soon but can't use it as a crutch either.
You asked for a remedy for not having any inside presence and I gave you one, the healthy 7 footer that's sitting on the bench. FWIW, Southern Indiana went small on Sunday which is the main reason why SIU wasn't playing Rupert or D'Amico much.
Nobody even knows if Muila is even back soon or what he can even give you. I'm guessing the staff thinks Muila is back soon (Mullins said so last week) but we saw with Trent Brown last year that back injuries are tricky and can linger.
How many more years can the can be kicked down the road? Barry Hinson had his best season in Year 4 (22-10) and was able to get to Saturday in Year 2 in a much tougher Valley and took Jake Odom and Indiana State down to the wire on Saturday. Now Hinson 100% deserved to be fired, your program shouldn't settle for mediocrity and that's what Hinson was. But Mullins is currently 46-46 as a head coach so I don't get why there's not that same energy.
That is not a valid reply. First you are criticizing the coaching staff for not playing him, BUT if Muila is back soon, no harm, no foul. You can't have it both ways.We do have an inside presence, but presently 13 feet, 6 inches and 510 lbs. of that presence is injured. What is your suggestion for remedying that?I remember back in the day when Southern list in the MVC tourney championship to Creighton by 34 made the dance and went to the sweet 16 things happen let's not panic
I remember that game. Weber said he tried everything he could think of, but the basketball Gods had ordered a Saluki shit show!
It happens. BUT we have to have an inside presence or it may happen a lot. More Rupert! (he needs to cure the fouling issue)
They're willingly sitting a 7 footer that's healthy and could be playing. I get not wanting to burn a year of him if Muila is back soon but can't use it as a crutch either.
I wish Hornecker wasn't red-shirting, regardless of injuries to Ebube and Muila. Especially now with those guys down, I believe he could provide valuable minutes.
I admire planning for the future but with Cade in particular, considering his size, skill-set and how he was regarded coming out of high school, I think its unrealistic to expect red-shirts in this day and age to stay at one spot for 5 years.
I'm aware the pace of the game is actively evolving to a faster paced small-ball style, but good teams will still have legitimate options anchoring the paint when needed. In my humble opinion, if this season ends up going where we hope it does, we can't keep our current starting line-up, and we can't get by with only one viable post player playing marginal minutes at best.
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Here's my thoughts (similar to last year), if the coaches thought that Cade could be a difference maker THIS YEAR, he would be playing. People wanted certain players playing (if not starting) last year and they still aren't ready defensively. Redshirt players can practice, work out, etc with the team, it's not like they're just sitting there for a year. If the coaches think he isn't ready, that's all I need to hear bc in Mullins 4th year and still having a .500 record, I'm pretty sure they want to win and win now so this isn't a strategy thing, it's a he isn't ready thing.
Here's my thoughts (similar to last year), if the coaches thought that Cade could be a difference maker THIS YEAR, he would be playing. People wanted certain players playing (if not starting) last year and they still aren't ready defensively. Redshirt players can practice, work out, etc with the team, it's not like they're just sitting there for a year. If the coaches think he isn't ready, that's all I need to hear bc in Mullins 4th year and still having a .500 record, I'm pretty sure they want to win and win now so this isn't a strategy thing, it's a he isn't ready thing.
I just don't think that's the case. It's not that cut and dry, IMO. Coaches can have a multitude of reasons for going the red-shirt route. Maybe its a numbers game, maybe nagging injuries or an illness in preseason etc. As thin as SIU was in the post last year, I truly believe Ebube could've provided valuable spot minutes giving the Salukis some extra needed physicality, particularly defensively and on the boards as well as 5 fouls to burn.
I know Mullins has his reasons, and its surely a case by case basis, but coaches don't recruit kid x or kid y thinking they won't be ready once they're on campus. From a coaches perspective, even if it seems like said recruits are slower than expected getting up to speed during fall practice/season prep, there's nothing more valuable for a players development than getting some rope to learn on the job with a vote of confidence from the coaching staff.
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With the Ebube and Muila injuries, the door was wide open for Cade to get some PT if the coaches were so inclined. That he hasn't played, especially in a game like Sunday when some sort of spark was needed, seems pretty revealing.
Both scoring and rebounding are areas where help would be welcome ... the question is whether Cade is capable of providing that help at this point. The answer appears to be no in the coaches' minds, because, as has been mentioned, this is not a season that you want to "punt" for the future.
On a lighter note, anyone know why the back of his jersey says "Cade" instead of his last name??
If you choose to play Cade for short time growth because of injuries and he is not ready then you have burnt a year in eligibility and development and if he is not ready what do you do when Scottie and JD comeback unfortunately it is a tough situation that needs to be dealt with patience not a knee jerk reaction after all it is only 3 games into the season
My take on recruiting is still out. I know recruiting is just brutal and incredibly competitive. Domask was a great get. Jones was a BH recruit. Wonders, Ebube, Hornecker, and Davis could be great - have to wait in see. D'Amico is a solid player. I think Rupert needs minutes. He's quick, a good defender, and I think he could be an offensive threat if coached up.
Fact is, I guess I'm a bit concerned. Wait until February and see where we are.
IMO, Kennard Davis is the best player Mullins has recruited. We shall see next year.
Better than Domask? That'd be great. Hope you're right.
On a lighter note, anyone know why the back of his jersey says "Cade" instead of his last name??
Maybe too many letters in his last name? I bet the Bobber knows.
Better than Domask? That'd be great. Hope you're right.
Hornecker is their highest rated recruit on 247 (3rd only to Booker and Dillard). Right now Kennard Davis would slot in 4th by score.
Right now Davis seems like more of a defensive stud than a scorer but he seems extremely athletic and could eventually turn into that guy. Everything I've read about him though is raving about his defense.
Mullins was asked directly whether Cade was redshirting or not in a pregame interview. It sounded like he was going to redshirt, but Mullins said it wasn't a foregone conclusion and that he was getting better in practice. From that interview it was pretty apparent the decision will be based on his readiness. Often times, even highly rated big's need more time to develop to the speed, footwork and level of D1 basketball. Ebube was an example of that also. There have been plenty of all mvc centers that redshirted their freshman years.Here's my thoughts (similar to last year), if the coaches thought that Cade could be a difference maker THIS YEAR, he would be playing. People wanted certain players playing (if not starting) last year and they still aren't ready defensively. Redshirt players can practice, work out, etc with the team, it's not like they're just sitting there for a year. If the coaches think he isn't ready, that's all I need to hear bc in Mullins 4th year and still having a .500 record, I'm pretty sure they want to win and win now so this isn't a strategy thing, it's a he isn't ready thing.
I just don't think that's the case. It's not that cut and dry, IMO. Coaches can have a multitude of reasons for going the red-shirt route. Maybe its a numbers game, maybe nagging injuries or an illness in preseason etc. As thin as SIU was in the post last year, I truly believe Ebube could've provided valuable spot minutes giving the Salukis some extra needed physicality, particularly defensively and on the boards as well as 5 fouls to burn.
I know Mullins has his reasons, and its surely a case by case basis, but coaches don't recruit kid x or kid y thinking they won't be ready once they're on campus. From a coaches perspective, even if it seems like said recruits are slower than expected getting up to speed during fall practice/season prep, there's nothing more valuable for a players development than getting some rope to learn on the job with a vote of confidence from the coaching staff.
Here's my thoughts (similar to last year), if the coaches thought that Cade could be a difference maker THIS YEAR, he would be playing. People wanted certain players playing (if not starting) last year and they still aren't ready defensively. Redshirt players can practice, work out, etc with the team, it's not like they're just sitting there for a year. If the coaches think he isn't ready, that's all I need to hear bc in Mullins 4th year and still having a .500 record, I'm pretty sure they want to win and win now so this isn't a strategy thing, it's a he isn't ready thing.
I just don't think that's the case. It's not that cut and dry, IMO. Coaches can have a multitude of reasons for going the red-shirt route. Maybe its a numbers game, maybe nagging injuries or an illness in preseason etc. As thin as SIU was in the post last year, I truly believe Ebube could've provided valuable spot minutes giving the Salukis some extra needed physicality, particularly defensively and on the boards as well as 5 fouls to burn.
I know Mullins has his reasons, and its surely a case by case basis, but coaches don't recruit kid x or kid y thinking they won't be ready once they're on campus. From a coaches perspective, even if it seems like said recruits are slower than expected getting up to speed during fall practice/season prep, there's nothing more valuable for a players development than getting some rope to learn on the job with a vote of confidence from the coaching staff.
Certainly not cut and dry. And it's impossible to "argue" against your scenario, but the fact remains neither Wonders nor Ebube played. I guarantee that if Tucker DeVries signed with SIU, he would have played regardless of the circumstances. If and when SIU starts getting players of THAT caliber, we won't have to have discussions like this. I still remain hopeful that those days may come, but until we start winning my hopes likely won't be realized.
@bleedfknmaroon25 Completely agree with everything you said. I'm not a fan of our current starting line-up, either.
