Yeah, but if we had only beat them by 15 we would have dropped to 110 or so probably. Margin matters.Even beating USI by 31 yesterday barely moved the needle. SIU moved up from 106 to 103 in KenPom because of how bad they are (they're at 101 now). Better than moving down though.
NET matters only if you're a bubble team.
If we don't win the MVC tournament, we'd have to go something like 17-1 in conference play and then play on Sunday. That is very unlikely.
It is EXTREMELY unlikely that we will be getting an at large.
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To the NCAA yeah, but the NIT is a possibilityNET matters only if you're a bubble team.
If we don't win the MVC tournament, we'd have to go something like 17-1 in conference play and then play on Sunday. That is very unlikely.
It is EXTREMELY unlikely that we will be getting an at large.
To the NCAA yeah, but the NIT is a possibilityNET matters only if you're a bubble team.
If we don't win the MVC tournament, we'd have to go something like 17-1 in conference play and then play on Sunday. That is very unlikely.
It is EXTREMELY unlikely that we will be getting an at large.
Not to mention that we get a piece of the extra income if we’re a multi bid league. Being top 70 matters for the conference as it gives Q1 games. That way, if we happen to beat a Drake at home, it doesn’t hurt the conference.
It barely moved the needle because the quality of the opponent you beat or lose to is more important than the margin of victory. I think we took a huge drop after losing to Austin Peay.
I imagine Missouri state's going to get a very nice bump from beating a good St Mary's team.
That is simply not true. Iowa state is #5 in NET simply be blowing away bad opponents. No Q1 wins. I remember Loyola getting a huge boost years ago by beating Evansville by 60 on the road. The bad teams can impact your NET just as much as the good ones if you win by enough.
The NCAA does not reveal how these various factors are weighted. I think the team value index is more meaningful since scoring margin is limited to 10 pts. It also helps explain how a close loss to a crappy team can bomb your rating, whereas crushing a lowly rated team doesn't do much for you. We went from 88 to 87 after So Ind. We had a big drop after losing a close game to lowly AP.
This algorithm also probably starts with some assumptions based on previous year. Ia.St went to the NCAA last year and made it to the championship of the Big 12.
That 25 pt win against #62 Iowa certainly gave them a big boost, because Iowa is a very good team and they whipped them, and losing by just 4 at ranked A&M probably gave them a boost. Beating #89 VCU on a neutral court certainly helped also.
"The rankings will rely on five factors — team value index, net efficiency, winning percentage, adjusted win percentage and scoring margin.
1. Team value index
The value index is an algorithm developed to reward teams who beat good teams. It is a results-oriented component of the NET and is based on game results. It takes into account three factors: opponent, location and winner.
2. Net efficiency
Net efficiency is a team’s offensive efficiency minus its defense efficiency.
3. Winning percentage
Winning percentage is calculated by dividing a team’s wins by its total games played.
4. Adjusted win percentage
This metric is a winning percentage that is weighted based on location and result. Here is the breakdown:
Road win = + 1.4
Neutral win = + 1
Home win = +.6
Road loss = -.6
Neutral loss = -1
Home loss = -1.4
5. Scoring margin
Scoring margin is a team’s total points minus its opponent’s points. The winning margin was capped at 10 points per game “to prevent rankings from encouraging unsportsmanlike play,” according to the NCAA."
And besides NET, the NCAA looks at others:
"Team's standing in the NET as well as its ranking in the ESPN strength of record, BPI, KPI, KenPom and Sagarin are also included."
Then when all is said and done, they ask is this a mid-major? If the answer is yes, they say "SCREW EM!"
Exactly. We could go 18-0 in conference play and still be on "the bubble" versus a P5 team with a losing conference record.
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@mr_woogers don’t underestimate the net efficiency (#2). Winning is capped by 10, but efficiency isn’t. You beat a team by 50 means you’re a hell of a lot more efficient than your opponent.
It barely moved the needle because the quality of the opponent you beat or lose to is more important than the margin of victory. I think we took a huge drop after losing to Austin Peay.
I imagine Missouri state's going to get a very nice bump from beating a good St Mary's team.
That is simply not true. Iowa state is #5 in NET simply be blowing away bad opponents. No Q1 wins. I remember Loyola getting a huge boost years ago by beating Evansville by 60 on the road. The bad teams can impact your NET just as much as the good ones if you win by enough.
Iowa State at #5...sounds like they have recovered nicely from the Steve Prohm era!
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