It won't happen, Barry has never made the tournament, it won't start next year either. Would we have won more games with Thik this year??? Sure ......We were dominated by loyola twice this year , the only team that was relevant in the conference.
On the bright side, this kinda news is just what this board needed to get some momentum going.
I have to agree . This all seems to me like the good ole boys network. They just get rid of anybody in their way. We as fans are the ones that suffer. All this has done is make me question my opinion of Jerry.
It won't happen, Barry has never made the tournament, it won't start next year either. Would we have won more games with Thik this year??? Sure ......We were dominated by loyola twice this year , the only team that was relevant in the conference.
right on the money. again, I screamed this before, it's a near total rebuild job after next year whether we win in STL or not. Cook and Gooch will be the only two on the current roster still around if they don't leave. The current recruiting class includes two walkons and three question marks. who cares if we have one ncaa tournament game in our pocket after next season. will it be another six years of waiting for sauce boy to build for another.
this was a total setup job, people. I was not impressed with Bell, but this was a carlo special and wrong.
Thursday, Bell told The Southern that Montemagno asked him to raise the money (for the buyout).
"I was following the directions of my supervisor, who was well informed of the process," Bell said.
Craving a McBride Special!
I have never been in the Jerry Kill fan club . Indeed he is a great football coach, no denying that. But my take on Jerry was and is that for the most part Jerry is about Jerry and not much else.
The lawsuit Kill filed against SIU was a pretty good indicator. He walked out on his contract and only then got bent out of shape that he owed us money for breach of a contract that HE signed. Kill called the payback provision illegal and unenforceable because it gave him no option to leave without penalty unless he died, became disabled, quit football or was fired. Yeah, Jerry, that's the whole point! If you felt so strongly that it was illegal then you should not have signed it in the first place. I'm sure he would have expected his buyout if we would have fired him. I don't blame him for breaching the contract but it takes some stones to turnaround and sue about a provision you signed. It's unethical. Generally, the school who hires the person away pays that penalty anyway. Save the awe shucks routine Jerry.
Craving a McBride Special!
“Thursday, Bell told The Southern that Montemagno asked him to raise the money (for the buyout).
"I was following the directions of my supervisor, who was well informed of the process," Bell said.”
i dont even have the words at this point. Wow
Just to get this straight
Carlo brings Kill in as an ambassador in March
Also in March Carlo tells Bell to get the funds raised to Fire Barry
Bell gets the money but somehow Jerry kill steps in and saves Barry
Carlo then does not extend Bell and gives Kill the job while letting public opinion believe it was because Bell tried to fire Barry.
What in the the flying f**k. This was a calculated execution.
Barry is no longer my least favorite person at SIU. My goodness
1) Given the "excitement" SIU has had, we may not get everybody back. If we do, we may not win more than 20. We may have an improved SOS. We may get an NIT bid. We probably will not get an NCAA at large even with 21 wins. Recruiting will be impossible, if not harder, given the state of affairs. But, if we didn't disagree with one another on here why log on? Sometimes you have to take the road less traveled to keep it lively.
2) CM "probably" told TB to (see, explore, try)test the water and evaluate the potential for raising the money to buy out BH because SIU certainly does not have the funds. If he had said "get the money and fire him", there would be a "writing" somewhere to support that. There would also be a fund somewhere.
3) The real problem is that in any business you should hire somebody and let them do their job. TB picks a road and starts down it, CM says see whats at end. The Board tells CM no. CM tells TB no. TB is at bottom of ladder. At that point it is untenable. AD and head coach cannot be at each others throats. With Title IX fiasco, writing was on the wall.
4) At least Kill is a known quantity with ties. Gives them some cover while they do a search.
Welp. I didn’t think it could get worse. I was wrong. Just when you think it could not get any worse, a new bottom is found.
Barry is far from the worst person in all this, at this point. This clown car Chancellor is way worse. He has to go, restructure or not. Anyone in the Alumni Association arguing for him after this is letting this goofball continue his clown act. Time to wake up, Alumni.
Just to get this straight
Carlo brings Kill in as an ambassador in March
Also in March Carlo tells Bell to get the funds raised to Fire Barry
Bell gets the money but somehow Jerry kill steps in and saves Barry
Carlo then does not extend Bell and gives Kill the job while letting public opinion believe it was because Bell tried to fire Barry.
What in the the flying f**k. This was a calculated execution.
Barry is no longer my least favorite person at SIU. My goodness
This would've been a good story arch for a season of Game of Thrones.
Surreal stuff indeed.
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You can talk about the manner in which this was done all you want......but the facts are that Barry Hinson was never going to be terminated as long as Tommy Bell was AD. Either Tommy was not adamant enough to get this change done or the Chancellor didn't respect his opinion enough to give his consent. At least with a new butt in the AD chair, maybe something will happen. Maybe Jerry is part of a giant conspiracy and Barry will never be on the hotseat. However, if Jerry Kill wants him out....there is a chance of making it happen and the clown show had a lifetime contract under Tommy Bell. The athletic department is still not seeing a dime from me until this change does take place, but this change does provide reason for a small amount of optimism.
Think of the long line of winners who will line up for this horror show. Let me put it another way. Get ready to welcome AD Barry Hinson come January 2019. He will announce his retirement from coaching at the end of the season. Kill will need to step aside for health reasons. Cook is happy because he keeps his friend employed and PT saves face. Carlo gets the new coach he wants and keeps the Cook cash flowing. The idiot gets to sit in the big boy AD chair and can't do much damage because he isn't in charge anyway. It solves all the problems in a nice, neat package with a bow on top. Book it.
Craving a McBride Special!
You can talk about the manner in which this was done all you want......but the facts are that Barry Hinson was never going to be terminated as long as Tommy Bell was AD. Either Tommy was not adamant enough to get this change done or the Chancellor didn't respect his opinion enough to give his consent. At least with a new butt in the AD chair, maybe something will happen. Maybe Jerry is part of a giant conspiracy and Barry will never be on the hotseat. However, if Jerry Kill wants him out....there is a chance of making it happen and the clown show had a lifetime contract under Tommy Bell. The athletic department is still not seeing a dime from me until this change does take place, but this change does provide reason for a small amount of optimism.
Enjoy your delusions 💩
Craving a McBride Special!
Tried to post a response and seemed to lose it so hopefully this is not a repeat folks. I agree university antics could run almost anyone off, but Coach Kill may be the one guy who is best situated to deal with the athletic system as a whole (boosters, influential donors, fans, administration, coaches, etc.). Jerry is about building trust and getting everyone pulling in the right direction. Lord knows the university could sure use some of that at this point. I for one am on board and excited about the possibilities for the first time in a long time. Irrespective of Barry's relationship with coach he will have to perform and improve and get results or he will not be there. Jerry is about winning.
I am going to clarify a bit. I don't think Hinson's antics would cause Kill to leave. I think Hinson's antics might, however, cause Kill to get the go ahead from Cook to fire Hinson. That leaves the problem as this - what if Cook still says no? I don't think Greg Cook anticipated his name being out there as much as it has been. Who knows, there's still the off chance that the public pressure could finally flip him to the point that he finally says "enough" of Hucky.
I certainly see the merit of having a former coach as athletic director over a businessman like the last three AD's were. That said, one of the businessmen (PK AD) was very successful. The other two, not so much. I do think that in a different situation that Bell would have got another year to be able to institute his plan. To be judged in a three-year time frame as an AD is harsh, IMO. Usually, I wait until 4-5 years down the road to make a correct judgment. This can certainly be argued as a non-normal situation. Tommy Bell barely got the chance to make his own hires. If you wanted to make the argument that the volleyball hire was bad, that's certainly valid. Kathleen Raske was a good hire. Nick Hill was certainly a good hire.
Otherwise, the department has a lot of carry over from Mario and that's interesting when Bell was brought in to create change after the departure of Mario to New Mexico State.
Fray in 4 or 5 years this once proud institution will be down to 10,000 students. Until these fucking. idots running this shit hole can figure something out nothing is going to improve . SIU is an embarrassment .
Oberkfell, the University has been an embarrassment for a while. Do you think I’m not acutely aware of that? Don’t start me on academics because I think I’ve been as critical as anyone in that regard. SIU has to change or die, and yet a bunch of people in both the administration and faculty want to milk the corpse for all it’s worth while they are heading out the door. What we are now learning is that athletics is also run in the same haphazard and self-serving manner as academics. Only conclusion is to look at the top, look at Carlo the Clown, and the people on the board who hired him. Notice I said “people on the board” and not Dunn.
I was agreeing with you. I know you have been a proponent for change. As long as these ass whips have the power to protect themselves, this University will die .
You can talk about the manner in which this was done all you want......but the facts are that Barry Hinson was never going to be terminated as long as Tommy Bell was AD. Either Tommy was not adamant enough to get this change done or the Chancellor didn't respect his opinion enough to give his consent. At least with a new butt in the AD chair, maybe something will happen. Maybe Jerry is part of a giant conspiracy and Barry will never be on the hotseat. However, if Jerry Kill wants him out....there is a chance of making it happen and the clown show had a lifetime contract under Tommy Bell. The athletic department is still not seeing a dime from me until this change does take place, but this change does provide reason for a small amount of optimism.
If Tommy wouldn't have been so adamant he might still have his job and yet you think there is more of a chance of bh being fired now? From what I've heard Kill was one of the main players in bh keeping his job so good luck with that. I'm so fed up I don't know why I'm even here wasting my time.
