Yes, that would have paid off nicely as a prop bet. But good for McGee ... he has to be quite disappointed with how the season has gone. He did grab a couple boards in his few minutes out there. It'll be interesting to see when the next time he or Sharp hit the floor will be. I'd say McGee could be the beneficiary of Stulic falling out of the rotation, but with Brown playing 38 minutes at the 2 and Ferguson/Davis splitting the 3, it's still an uphill battle for minutes.
Forgot about Stulic. Our 4 transfers from this offseason combined for 11 minutes last night.
So Scotty is out of shape… can’t play perimeter defense… that is a coaching problem if those statements are true which probably are. I haven’t seen Hensley execute a basic post move, Trent actually did an up and under last night, maybe Trent should coach the bigs. My point here is, the staff has no idea how to manage bigs, coach or develop. Hensley isn’t a five either. There is a media timeout every four minutes and it truly baffles me how anyone could be that tired, if there are stamina problems there must be coaching problems there. Not rocket science. Wasn’t impressed with anything I saw last night except the other two games.
You can’t be this dense. He was guarding the perimeter okay, but his body type is not made to guard a 5 out offense where their 5 is a tall lanky dude especially if that 5 can shoot the 3. The same thing that makes him such a nightmare to guard in the post (he’s big and strong) is a liability on defense when the other team plays quick tempo 5 out offense. He can guard that for short stretches but he’s going to get tired fast no matter how much conditioning you do (he’s moving around 250 fucking pounds vs 190-210 for these other guys).
Go watch the Drake Mo St game. MSU just abused Brodie down the stretch with Edwards (a tall lanky 5) and you could see how absolutely gassed Brodie was trying to play defense on him and honestly it affected his offense too. Still no idea why DeVries didn’t sub him…maybe they didn’t have confidence in anyone else.
well I guess it is a good thing I did not say thatSo Scotty is out of shape… can’t play perimeter defense… that is a coaching problem if those statements are true which probably are. I haven’t seen Hensley execute a basic post move, Trent actually did an up and under last night, maybe Trent should coach the bigs. My point here is, the staff has no idea how to manage bigs, coach or develop. Hensley isn’t a five either. There is a media timeout every four minutes and it truly baffles me how anyone could be that tired, if there are stamina problems there must be coaching problems there. Not rocket science. Wasn’t impressed with anything I saw last night except the other two games.
"Everything is a coaching problem" is a thing people say when they don't understand anything.
@siu_2011 We can slow the game down by getting it inside to Ebube. There's value in drawing fouls & getting 2nd chance opportunities. If they can exploit our weaknesses, then we should exploit theirs by pounding it inside.
@siu_2011 We can slow the game down by getting it inside to Ebube. There's value in drawing fouls & getting 2nd chance opportunities. If they can exploit our weaknesses, then we should exploit theirs by pounding it inside.
We can (and have in the past) used his size to great effect, but it doesn't change the fact that he will not be able to play for long stretches, especially when you are having him exert additional effort on the offensive end in the post.
My point wasn't that he shouldn't be played in these games. It is more about how much he does play. People wanting him to play 20+ minutes with teams that play like this aren't being realistic. Could he have gotten more than the 8 he got yesterday...sure I think 10-15 makes sense. If he's being super productive then maybe you can stretch it out a few more minutes. I just think some folks are painting with a broad brush on this topic. There is more nuance to this.
I am admittedly not a basketball strategist. Highest level I coached was 8th grade. Having said this, there is a lot of our strategy that I simply don't understand. But I truely don't understand why we rarely follow our shots. Especially the 3pt shots. And we love to shoot the 3's. Yes, I guess it's great to almost always have 4 guys back on defense. However, wouldn't it be a pleasant change to occassionally get a long offensive rebound. Just sayin'
I'm not sayin' -- I'm just sayin'!
I am admittedly not a basketball strategist. Highest level I coached was 8th grade. Having said this, there is a lot of our strategy that I simply don't understand. But I truely don't understand why we rarely follow our shots. Especially the 3pt shots. And we love to shoot the 3's. Yes, I guess it's great to almost always have 4 guys back on defense. However, wouldn't it be a pleasant change to occassionally get a long offensive rebound. Just sayin'
Mainly transition based….the benefits of crashing do not out way the negatives it would create. Say you crash 10 times…..how many offensive rebounds would you get vs how many times you are out of position allowing easy transition buckets.
@siu_2011 We can slow the game down by getting it inside to Ebube. There's value in drawing fouls & getting 2nd chance opportunities. If they can exploit our weaknesses, then we should exploit theirs by pounding it inside.
We can (and have in the past) used his size to great effect, but it doesn't change the fact that he will not be able to play for long stretches, especially when you are having him exert additional effort on the offensive end in the post.
My point wasn't that he shouldn't be played in these games. It is more about how much he does play. People wanting him to play 20+ minutes with teams that play like this aren't being realistic. Could he have gotten more than the 8 he got yesterday...sure I think 10-15 makes sense. If he's being super productive then maybe you can stretch it out a few more minutes. I just think some folks are painting with a broad brush on this topic. There is more nuance to this.
Agree with a lot of this. I am, though, dismayed that they can't find a way to feature Ebube more on the block against an overmatched frontcourt like Valpo's. Believe his one basket last night came from running the floor hard and cleaning one up on the glass (via goaltending).
If the coaches don't look at Ebube alongside these skinny young dudes from Valpo and see opportunities to find a few layups/dunks for Ebube, that's either an offensive scheme problem or concerning that Ebube's offensive skill set isn't as far along as it should be (or some combination).
I am admittedly not a basketball strategist. Highest level I coached was 8th grade. Having said this, there is a lot of our strategy that I simply don't understand. But I truely don't understand why we rarely follow our shots. Especially the 3pt shots. And we love to shoot the 3's. Yes, I guess it's great to almost always have 4 guys back on defense. However, wouldn't it be a pleasant change to occassionally get a long offensive rebound. Just sayin'
Mainly transition based….the benefits of crashing do not out way the negatives it would create. Say you crash 10 times…..how many offensive rebounds would you get vs how many times you are out of position allowing easy transition buckets.
Couldn't disagree more. Some of our guys should absolutely be crashing the O boards and following their shot but not the whole team. A couple players should be dropping back to stop fast breaks, but good offensive rebounding teams have so many advantages. So often when a player misses a shot, it bounces straight back - is he's following his shot, he gets that rebound.
The extent to which you crash the O boards also depends on the opponent. It's not always a great idea to go overboard on it.
If you saw the terrific Illinois-Northwestern game last night - Boo Buie's 29 pts wins it in OT while Domask missed a 12 footer in the lane to win it (but he had 22 points) - you saw an Illinois team that is very good at offensive rebounds (21 last night) and is ranked #10 in the country.
Our coaching staff seems to think rebounds are an after thought.
I am admittedly not a basketball strategist. Highest level I coached was 8th grade. Having said this, there is a lot of our strategy that I simply don't understand. But I truely don't understand why we rarely follow our shots. Especially the 3pt shots. And we love to shoot the 3's. Yes, I guess it's great to almost always have 4 guys back on defense. However, wouldn't it be a pleasant change to occassionally get a long offensive rebound. Just sayin'
Mainly transition based….the benefits of crashing do not out way the negatives it would create. Say you crash 10 times…..how many offensive rebounds would you get vs how many times you are out of position allowing easy transition buckets.
Couldn't disagree more. Some of our guys should absolutely be crashing the O boards and following their shot but not the whole team. A couple players should be dropping back to stop fast breaks, but good offensive rebounding teams have so many advantages. So often when a player misses a shot, it bounces straight back - is he's following his shot, he gets that rebound.
The extent to which you crash the O boards also depends on the opponent. It's not always a great idea to go overboard on it.
If you saw the terrific Illinois-Northwestern game last night - Boo Buie's 29 pts wins it in OT while Domask missed a 12 footer in the lane to win it (but he had 22 points) - you saw an Illinois team that is very good at offensive rebounds (21 last night) and is ranked #10 in the country.
Our coaching staff seems to think rebounds are an after thought.
I am not saying don’t crash the boards at all….I am only talking about three point shots. Most misses on three point shots are far away from the rim allowing for transition opportunities.
The top offensive rebounding team in the Valley is Valpo. ISU blue and Drake are also bad offensive rebounding teams.
So Scotty is out of shape… can’t play perimeter defense… that is a coaching problem if those statements are true which probably are. I haven’t seen Hensley execute a basic post move, Trent actually did an up and under last night, maybe Trent should coach the bigs. My point here is, the staff has no idea how to manage bigs, coach or develop. Hensley isn’t a five either. There is a media timeout every four minutes and it truly baffles me how anyone could be that tired, if there are stamina problems there must be coaching problems there. Not rocket science. Wasn’t impressed with anything I saw last night except the other two games.
You can’t be this dense. He was guarding the perimeter okay, but his body type is not made to guard a 5 out offense where their 5 is a tall lanky dude especially if that 5 can shoot the 3. The same thing that makes him such a nightmare to guard in the post (he’s big and strong) is a liability on defense when the other team plays quick tempo 5 out offense. He can guard that for short stretches but he’s going to get tired fast no matter how much conditioning you do (he’s moving around 250 fucking pounds vs 190-210 for these other guys).
Go watch the Drake Mo St game. MSU just abused Brodie down the stretch with Edwards (a tall lanky 5) and you could see how absolutely gassed Brodie was trying to play defense on him and honestly it affected his offense too. Still no idea why DeVries didn’t sub him…maybe they didn’t have confidence in anyone else.
IMO, Ebube (273) appears to be out of shape. Needs to change his diet, run every day, etc.
Rupert weighs 240 and averages 22 mins a game, Avila weighs 240 - averages 28 mins, Dia is 240, averages 23 mins. Brodie is 275 and averages 26+ per game.
7' 4" Zach Edey of Purdue weighs 300 lbs and averages 30 minutes per game, 2nd most on the team.
Hunter Dickinson of Kansas - 260 lbs - averages 32 mins per game....
Ebube is 10 mins per game. I DO think he could play more but that's the coach's decision. Hensley playing the 5 at all is not a great idea unless (maybe) the opponent is playing a small lineup.
Curious how a zone or matchup zone would work. Auburn was getting burned against app state until they switched to one and they almost came back. I use it merely as an example because it’s not unreasonable and some teams execute it just fine. In theory would solve a lot of matchup problems discussed. Just an idea. I’m a couch coach that knows nothing apparently but I’d bet Schweeger would have had a hard time getting looks inside and out. Not really sure man to man is going to float the boat against Drake and Indiana state either. I wasn’t trying to coach bash earlier, just point out the post game is short of a mess in my opinion.
Curious how a zone or matchup zone would work. Auburn was getting burned against app state until they switched to one and they almost came back. I use it merely as an example because it’s not unreasonable and some teams execute it just fine. In theory would solve a lot of matchup problems discussed. Just an idea. I’m a couch coach that knows nothing apparently but I’d bet Schweeger would have had a hard time getting looks inside and out. Not really sure man to man is going to float the boat against Drake and Indiana state either. I wasn’t trying to coach bash earlier, just point out the post game is short of a mess in my opinion.
No chance we go zone. A regular zone let alone a match up zone is not something you say, hey we are going to do this today. You have to practice it. If we have complaints on rebounding….this would even further our problems. Mullins is a man to man coach.
we crashed against Drake gave up to many transition baskets also some of the same in the 2nd half to Bradley gave up to many transition 3sI am admittedly not a basketball strategist. Highest level I coached was 8th grade. Having said this, there is a lot of our strategy that I simply don't understand. But I truely don't understand why we rarely follow our shots. Especially the 3pt shots. And we love to shoot the 3's. Yes, I guess it's great to almost always have 4 guys back on defense. However, wouldn't it be a pleasant change to occassionally get a long offensive rebound. Just sayin'
Mainly transition based….the benefits of crashing do not out way the negatives it would create. Say you crash 10 times…..how many offensive rebounds would you get vs how many times you are out of position allowing easy transition buckets.
