Indiana State has made an NCAA's and won the MVC last year since SIU last did anything. I know it sucks they fell short last year but last year would have been the most fun SIU season in 17 years and I would have been disappointed but happy.
The fact that our best season since 2007 is a distant 3rd with Marcus Domask and Lance Jones, two Big Ten starters just sucks.
Yeah, I don't get making excuses for Drake's success while excusing SIU's failure. Obviously, Drake and SIU's roster/coaching staff turnover have some differing variables, but come on ... they have an entirely new everything and they're 24-3 ... that's TWENTY FOUR wins and THREE losses!
In an alternate world, say SIU had hired McCollum and we had Drake's roster heading into the season; a mostly undersized and unproven roster at the D1 level. Realistically, would your expectations for 2024-25 have been markedly higher? Not mine.
I know Elliott going down was a huge loss. It personally took the wind out of my sails. Even still, SIU is 12-17 and will have a losing conference record AT HOME in an MVC that defined turnover in college basketball.
This has been a massive failure by any standard. Please stop making excuses.
Wait a second — how many of Drake’s starters came with McCollum from Northwest Missouri?
So I ask again, is the main reason for this the NIL money that other teams have and we do not ? Did this coach not know the state of affairs before he took the job ?
So I ask again, is the main reason for this the NIL money that other teams have and we do not ? Did this coach not know the state of affairs before he took the job ?
Why do you say SIU basketball doesn’t have competitive NIL? I have no inside info, but judging from statements of the AD, what I do know of SIU basketball’s donor base, and how Nagy recruited in a short time after being hired, I am guessing they’re actually towards the top of the Valley.
Football may be a different story.
coach is now 48-46 over the past three years of his career. Barry was 54-44 his final three. Bryan was 58-38.
in understand those that are loyal and all in, just as I understand those who aren't seeing rainbows on the horizon. beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
the bobber is certainly willing to call this year a forgettable, unmitigated mess and move on. as some have pointed out, there are "reasons."
next year? that better be a different story.
I was only speculating that the NIL $$$ are the main issue with the program. If that is not the case, maybe we can yet get to where we want to be.
However, that does shine more of a light on coaching and recruiting possibly being the issue.
I was only speculating that the NIL $$$ are the main issue with the program. If that is not the case, maybe we can yet get to where we want to be.
However, that does shine more of a light on coaching and recruiting possibly being the issue.
NIL money is competitive for MVC and is sure as shit more than Mullins had.
Of all of the excuses I have read maybe there is a couple we are missing maybe some has put a curse on the athletic department or maybe it's Karma
I repeat.. Nagy's first year and lost one of his best players in game 3 - the point guard - the general of the team.
Crazy expectations for year one.
This isn't 1997. This isn't even 2019.
Rosters turnover every year. The "This is year one" excuse is more or less irrelevant. Every year is year one.
And SIU hired an older coach who was very open about his reluctance to use the portal. It was and is a baffling decision.
I have seen this movie before.
really hard to watch
I left after Sharp dribbled into traffic with about 2-3 minutes left and turned it over for the umpteenth time. I knew that was the end. Got in my car just in time to hear a perplexed Rodney Watson wondering just WTF Nagy was doing in the final minutes not applying any pressure.
These last few games have been carbon copies of each other. I've never seen a team that can blow a 13-point lead as quickly and thoroughly as this one. There's nobody left that we can beat. Season over and program probably never recovering. I know it's only Year 1 and I've defended this coach as much as anybody. But if Rodney's lost faith in him, so have I.
rockin' dawg, correct me if I am wrong. but if you were coaching the salukis, and the game was tied with 10 seconds left, and we had the ball, you would call a timeout and run a two man game with sharpe and d'amico, right?
1) Have D'Amico inbound the ball.
2) Have Sharp dribble right down the middle of the court straight into traffic.
3) Kick it out to Kendall Brown-Surles for a desperation 3 from the corner.
@siu_2011 Could you please post where you have gotten the information on NIL money of all the MVC mens basketball programs? I’d like to see what is being spent by each school and how SIU ranks in comparison. Thanks.
Yeah, I don't get making excuses for Drake's success while excusing SIU's failure. Obviously, Drake and SIU's roster/coaching staff turnover have some differing variables, but come on ... they have an entirely new everything and they're 24-3 ... that's TWENTY FOUR wins and THREE losses!
In an alternate world, say SIU had hired McCollum and we had Drake's roster heading into the season; a mostly undersized and unproven roster at the D1 level. Realistically, would your expectations for 2024-25 have been markedly higher? Not mine.
I know Elliott going down was a huge loss. It personally took the wind out of my sails. Even still, SIU is 12-17 and will have a losing conference record AT HOME in an MVC that defined turnover in college basketball.
This has been a massive failure by any standard. Please stop making excuses.
I decided to do some very simple research solely on first year MVC coaches/staffs for the 2024-25 seasons. For comparison/prospective. Overall record/MVC record.
Drake 24 - 3 14-3
UIC 16 - 12 9-9
Ind. St. 13- 16 7-11
SIU 12-17 7-11
Mo. St. 9 - 20 2-16
It certainly appears that Drake is the exception when making comparisons based strictly on record. Top 25 team. McCollum was/is a homerun hire. He is from the state of Iowa, and wanted to come home. Perhaps Drake was his dream job? My educated guess would be no. However, Iowa State, or The University of Iowa might be. Regardless, I would cherish a season like this for our beloved Salukis.
I must say, the last three games have been extremely depressing for yours truly. Frustrations mounting for many of us on this site, and elsewhere. Rightly so. I love the passion and fire our fan base displays. We no doubt deserve more...18 years and counting of no post season. Not sure how many season ticket holders will want to renew for next season. 3 guaranteed contests left, I hold out hope we can win one of those.
Looking to next season, we have three redshirts, and two excellent high school players coming in. If similar results are occurring in year three/four, there could be yet another program restart. Sigh
Still trusting that Coach Nagy will do the job. Difficult first year for all.
Yes, Drake is certainly the exception. I'm just frustrated that SIU is staring at a 20 loss season when, lets be honest, they did open up the NIL coffers a bit to put together a roster that on paper looked to have some talent and serious athletic chops.
Mostly, I'm just tired of being frustrated and dissapointed year after year.
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I repeat.. Nagy's first year and lost one of his best players in game 3 - the point guard - the general of the team.
Crazy expectations for year one.
This isn't 1997. This isn't even 2019.
Rosters turnover every year. The "This is year one" excuse is more or less irrelevant. Every year is year one.
And SIU hired an older coach who was very open about his reluctance to use the portal. It was and is a baffling decision.
poster boy for Irrational Expectations
Take away Drake's leading scorer and MVC POY Stirtz after game three and Drake is down near the bottom of the MVC with SIU and Valpo.
We won't know what was right and wrong for a few years, but Nagy's stubbornness with the new age of college basketball and his lack of success in it is a huge concern. We shall see.
I have seen this movie before.
really hard to watch
I left after Sharp dribbled into traffic with about 2-3 minutes left and turned it over for the umpteenth time. I knew that was the end. Got in my car just in time to hear a perplexed Rodney Watson wondering just WTF Nagy was doing in the final minutes not applying any pressure.
These last few games have been carbon copies of each other. I've never seen a team that can blow a 13-point lead as quickly and thoroughly as this one. There's nobody left that we can beat. Season over and program probably never recovering. I know it's only Year 1 and I've defended this coach as much as anybody. But if Rodney's lost faith in him, so have I.
rockin' dawg, correct me if I am wrong. but if you were coaching the salukis, and the game was tied with 10 seconds left, and we had the ball, you would call a timeout and run a two man game with sharpe and d'amico, right?
1) Have D'Amico inbound the ball.
2) Have Sharp dribble right down the middle of the court straight into traffic.
3) Kick it out to Kendall Brown-Surles for a desperation 3 from the corner.
As a very old-school Saluki fan, I suggest that Rob Kirsner and Lawrence Stubblefield belong somewhere in this mix (with Scott Russ coming off the bench).
