On the other hand, college enrollment nationwide appears to have taken a hit in Pandemic 2020.
CUNY is down 4.4% and state universities in New York are down 5%.
Kids learned how to study on line...find the cheapest school, stay home, avoid room and board expenses. Colleges need to adapt. BTW, because of the costs of textbooks a lot of schools are going bookless and using online reference books.
“The best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores.”
-- Al McGuire
My niece and nephew have 18 - 19 year olds paying full tuition to take virtual classes at Depaul and
UC Santa Cruz and Cal Poly. It's a crappy way to spend your freshman year of college. Also seems crazy to
pay that - might as well go the online JC route until you can actually get to campus.
I actually was afraid SIU's enrollment would take a bigger hit because of the pandemic. Thankfully that did
Not happen. However, I don't think these numbers are anything to brag about. As usual, the
administration is spinning things in my opinion.
I want to see them publish really honest numbers - how many freshmen, how many sophomores, juniors,
seniors, grads, enrollment by major, etc.
"SIU saw an overall decrease in the sizes of its sophomore, junior and senior classes of about 7%, 14% and 6%, respectively. On-campus enrollment, which includes any student taking at least one on-campus class, was 9,221 students, which is down about 4% from last year."
fall enrollment from 2010 to 2020
2010: 20,037
2011: 19,817
2012: 18,847
2013: 17,964
2014: 17,989
2015: 17,292
2016: 15,987
2017: 14,554
2018: 12,817
2019: 11,695
2020: 11,366
The goal for next year according to the Chancellor is just to not lose any enrollment - flat enrollment.
They are going to continue to blow smoke up the public's rear end until and if and only if there is a real enrollment increase.
I find it interesting they released enrollment numbers last year with increased ACT scores and high school GPA. No mention of that this year 🤔
Several years ago on the old Salukitalk, I talked about moving towards online education at a SHARP discount and then lowering tuition for the 3 and 4th year experience.
If some college can figure out how to have 40-50,000 online FR/SOPH and then 20,000 on campus JR/Srs to give the experience and avoid the big costs....game over.
You could begin recruiting the high school students as Freshman and link up with HS across the midwest to give them dual credit. They just pay the nominal credit hour rate and get SIUC college credits.
THen, finish up what they need for distance education before JR and SR+ on campus.
They all win!
The high school credit thing already exists - many JCs have a dual credit thing. Don't know how popular it is.
also Advanced Placement classes - my son was a college sophomore his 2nd semester due to AP
I think more online classes will definitely be the case in the future. Purdue bought some fly-by-night outfit and renamed it Purdue Global - lowers their rep in my opinion, but it's all about money.
I have been told that online outfits like U. of Phoenix are not cheap at all.
I still think many, if not most, 18 year-olds are going to want that campus experience - lot more to it than just going to class (which a lot of freshmen do sporadically anyway) - freedom, independence, growing up, flunking out!!! all that stuff! 😊
SIU needs to become a better bargain - easy way to improve enrollment when the number of college students nationwide is shrinking - they're going to have to get smarter than they are if they want to compete and grow enrollment.
The HS thing needs to reinvented. SIU-HS. Partner with 100s go HS and start the process of leveraging the knowledge of the University at an early age. Let the kids essentially get their associates on-line through SIUC while in HS...for a nominal fee and then gateway to the "college experience" at SIU.
The HS thing needs to reinvented. SIU-HS. Partner with 100s go HS and start the process of leveraging the knowledge of the University at an early age. Let the kids essentially get their associates on-line through SIUC while in HS...for a nominal fee and then gateway to the "college experience" at SIU.
This is probably one route to look at. I believe that, in general, SIU needs to do a better job at engaging local schools. I graduated from high school in 2013 and remember very little contact/interest with SIU. I went the Juco route and eventually landed at SIU for my last 2 years. I always felt like they were more interested in recruiting in STL or Chicago than locally. As a results of this, very few in my class went to SIU. I assume that other local high schools are the same way.
some interesting stats:
She pointed to data from the National Student Clearinghouse, which showed that roughly only 60% of college students who started college completed it within six years. Hiler noted that “those odds become increasingly worse for students of color, low-income students, part-time students, and student parents.”
America's 'college completion crisis' is about to get worse
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/college-completion-america-coronavirus-124041697.html
I find it interesting they released enrollment numbers last year with increased ACT scores and high school GPA. No mention of that this year 🤔
Placement exams are going away across the country. I'm not certain of their value as a stand alone predictor of success in college. It is either too good an indicator or is awful. Texas rewards the top HS schools on admission to college and I think that works ok, maybe gpa is better indicator. I googled it and like anything else that comes out of the college "deep state" results don't some trustworthy as articles all have axes to grind.
“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”
― Ayn Rand
I mean, we are talking 2020, so anything other than a massive drop seems ok to me.
maybe the new guy will get the hint?
https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/some-u-s-colleges-cut-tuition-ending-relentless-price-spiral
“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”
― Ayn Rand
Not up to him! Pretty sure Board of Trustees sets tuition.
I've been saying for years we should make SIU the best bargain in the state.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thesouthern.com/news/local/siu/john-frost-leaves-post-as-siu-admissions-director/article_b5bc7d38-fbd9-5fdd-b2d8-0ceb696c5bbd.amp.html
This isn’t a good sign. Doesn’t it seem like we can never keep someone in that position long-term?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thesouthern.com/news/local/siu/john-frost-leaves-post-as-siu-admissions-director/article_b5bc7d38-fbd9-5fdd-b2d8-0ceb696c5bbd.amp.html
This isn’t a good sign. Doesn’t it seem like we can never keep someone in that position long-term?
When you need people to sign up here versus out of state colleges that are cheaper even considering out of state tuition, it's a crummy job. This Carnegie research thing is an albatross needing cut loose, cut overhead back to 90s levels, cut tuition, and watch enrollment increase.
“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”
― Ayn Rand
