For a while I agreed with you and thought maybe retaining Beane was a good idea.
On more thought I really don’t see it. Fresh start from the top down. Erase the stench completely. I am sure Mullins will try to keep the two boys but he will bring in his own coaches
As a long time lurker to this site and DePaul grad school alum, I have to chime in to stress just how important this advice is. When my grad school was looking for a coach a few years ago, our ******* AD interviewed both Bobby Hurley and Bryce Drew and insisted to both of them that the new head coach would keep Billy Garrett on staff because his son was basically the one Big East caliber player on the roster. Suffice to say, any respectable head coaching candidate was going to want control of their staff hires from day 1 and both walked. We had to settle for a retread, and obviously the rest is history. The Beanes are nice players, but neither of them are LeBron. It's more important for Mullins to fill out the staff and rebuild the culture as he sees fit than try to salvage whatever talent on the roster we currently have for an extra win or two in what is most certainly a rebuilding year. Remember, SIU is the party in this negotiation that needs to be saying mea culpa rather than making demands, not the other way around.
As for those Loyola comments, there's some truth and some falsehoods in there. Moser is not getting hired anywhere, so there's no spot for Mullins to be promoted. However, say some P5 AD hypothetically goes crazy and hires Moser this year, Loyola is a better short-term job than SIU. Until Krutwig leaves in 2 years, they will be the class of the Valley. We will compete under Mullins, but this will be a rebuilding job given the lack of depth on next year's roster and hopefully promising freshmen on the 2020-2021 roster. I can absolutely see Mullins going to the NCAA tournament in each of his first two years at Loyola and then turning around and taking a bigger job. I just don't see that happening for him at SIU until year 4 or 5. We all are going to need to stress patience as the new coach gets us back on the road to respectability, whether it's Mullins or somebody else.
TL;DR, best of luck to our new AD
Thanks for posting, @depaulsaluki
It's always nice to have another perspective!
Considering Kill is a former coach, I’d guess he wouldn’t make a Mullins hire contingent on Beane Sr. staying. I personally want no trace of Hucky left except the returning talent. I agree Loyola is a better job at the moment, but I’m hoping even in that hypothetical scenario that Mullins would want to bring SIU back to the tournament over staying at Loyola! If the valley stays this weak, it might not take long for a new coach to fix our program.
For a while I agreed with you and thought maybe retaining Beane was a good idea.
On more thought I really don’t see it. Fresh start from the top down. Erase the stench completely. I am sure Mullins will try to keep the two boys but he will bring in his own coaches
As a long time lurker to this site and DePaul grad school alum, I have to chime in to stress just how important this advice is. When my grad school was looking for a coach a few years ago, our ******* AD interviewed both Bobby Hurley and Bryce Drew and insisted to both of them that the new head coach would keep Billy Garrett on staff because his son was basically the one Big East caliber player on the roster. Suffice to say, any respectable head coaching candidate was going to want control of their staff hires from day 1 and both walked. We had to settle for a retread, and obviously the rest is history. The Beanes are nice players, but neither of them are LeBron. It's more important for Mullins to fill out the staff and rebuild the culture as he sees fit than try to salvage whatever talent on the roster we currently have for an extra win or two in what is most certainly a rebuilding year. Remember, SIU is the party in this negotiation that needs to be saying mea culpa rather than making demands, not the other way around.
As for those Loyola comments, there's some truth and some falsehoods in there. Moser is not getting hired anywhere, so there's no spot for Mullins to be promoted. However, say some P5 AD hypothetically goes crazy and hires Moser this year, Loyola is a better short-term job than SIU. Until Krutwig leaves in 2 years, they will be the class of the Valley. We will compete under Mullins, but this will be a rebuilding job given the lack of depth on next year's roster and hopefully promising freshmen on the 2020-2021 roster. I can absolutely see Mullins going to the NCAA tournament in each of his first two years at Loyola and then turning around and taking a bigger job. I just don't see that happening for him at SIU until year 4 or 5. We all are going to need to stress patience as the new coach gets us back on the road to respectability, whether it's Mullins or somebody else.
TL;DR, best of luck to our new AD
Welcome to the board depaulsaluki!
To clarify my post, I have never thought that SIU or Jerry Kill should demand the retention of Anthony Beane Sr. as an Assistant Coach to any incoming coach.
Also to clarify another post, SIU's current men's basketball roster does not have an Associate Coach listed. (Hinson would never give a staff member that kind of recognition) Whereas, Bryan Mullins is listed as the Associate Head Coach at Loyola.
https://siusalukis.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball#sidearm-roster-coaches
https://loyolaramblers.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball#sidearm-roster-coaches
To address my opinion of the Beane family remaining active in SIU basketball; Being honest here, the only reason that Bryan Mullins would be the top target for the head coaching position at SIU, is Loyalty. Mostly due to his stellar 4 year career and a Hall of Fame player at SIU. We know the work ethic he had as a player in our program. We do not know, for sure, how much he has influenced Moser's program at Loyola. We can only assume Bryan's influence there has been tremendous due to Moser's career performance prior to bringing Bryan on staff there. We can actually see the tenacity and basketball IQ of the backcourt players of the last few Loyola rosters that he has helped influence and coach. If Bryan Mullins did not have a past connection to the SIU program, would we really be discussing him as a top target for the head coaching position?
Likewise, loyalty plays a big part in why Anthony Beane Sr. should remain on staff at SIU. His oldest son, Anthony Beane, Jr. is the third leading scorer in SIU men's basketball history (1,917). He is also tied at #1 with Mike Glenn in career points at SIU Arena (885) (That is no small feat considering he did it while Hinson was the Head Coach.) I am sure that Anthony Jr. will be inducted to the Saluki Hall of Fame based on his career here. Anthony Beane Jr.'s legacy at SIU is one that Anthony Beane, Sr. played a very big part in. The fact that Darius has demonstrated MVC caliber potential and the buzz that surrounds Jimmy Beane's athletic abilities will only add to the Beane legacy with the Saluki's.
While I do not promote or endorse any structured demand or requirement by SIU Administrator's that Bryan keep Anthony Beane, Sr. on staff, I would hope that his loyalty to SIU and the basketball programs past success stories (Anthony Beane, Sr. is one of them) will guide him to deeply consider keeping Anthony Beane, Sr. on staff. Imagine Anthony Beane Jr. returning for his earned Hall of Fame induction to a program that aggressively parted ways with his father and brother when they have both demonstrated loyalty and worth to this program. Darius Beane, a three star recruit, turned off the recruiting process by committing early to SIU out of loyalty to his family and this program. I just hope that these concerns arise when the decision is being made by Bryan on the coaching staff he assembles. While I agree there is a "stench" in SIU men's basketball, I do not feel that the Beane family has contributed to that "stench".
To be fair I never intended to insult coach Beane in any way. I just meant stench as program results over the last 11 years.
I am sure Beane will be givin an opportunity to interview.
That being said it is Mullins program and he can bring in whomever he wants. Neither SIU nor Mullins owe any current member of this staff anything. I hope Darius and Jimmy stay . I have complete faith in Mullins to bring in the needed talent regardless
To be fair I never intended to insult coach Beane in any way. I just meant stench as program results over the last 11 years.
I am sure Beane will be givin an opportunity to interview.
That being said it is Mullins program and he can bring in whomever he wants. Neither SIU nor Mullins owe any current member of this staff anything. I hope Darius and Jimmy stay . I have complete faith in Mullins to bring in the needed talent regardless
I did not mean to imply that you were insulting Coach Beane. I understood your post and agree, there is a stench in SIU's Men's Basketball program, mostly bad BBQ!!
I obviously feel that a high degree of loyalty should be extended to the Beane family. I also have complete faith in Bryan understanding the loyalty link between the Beane family, SIU, and his Mullins program.
On the Beane issue; I would think that the assistants have to have a pretty good idea of what is going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if Coach Beane is already getting at least indirect contact about jobs or making some inquiries through channels about other opportunities which I am pretty sure would include the two younger Beanes as well.
I would think all of the assistants are probably looking forward in some way to find landing spots and alternatives.
Just my opinion on the whole topic of the roster and the Beanes, this is where I am at.
It is going to hurt like hell to watch Jimmy and Darius do well at another University if that is what happens and I would love for them to stay regardless of what their father does. Maybe Darius wants to stick it out with his guys in what has been his home town for a long time. Although I think they may have pulled the redshirt so he could have it for a transfer year... I really don't think they stay without Beane Sr. staying on staff....
All that being said, I am putting my total and complete trust into Coach Mullins. I am not going to question a single move he makes early on. He will understand how to build a winner and if he thinks keeping Beane Sr. and Jimmy/Darius will help this program he will do it, if he thinks adding a different coach and letting them walk is the way to go then I will just go along with whatever he thinks. We begged for this move, so IF B-Mull is our head coach I won't be doing any backseat coaching for a while, just going to sit back , put my faith in him, and back him and the team.
Just my opinion on the whole topic of the roster and the Beanes, this is where I am at.
It is going to hurt like hell to watch Jimmy and Darius do well at another University if that is what happens and I would love for them to stay regardless of what their father does. Maybe Darius wants to stick it out with his guys in what has been his home town for a long time. Although I think they may have pulled the redshirt so he could have it for a transfer year... I really don't think they stay without Beane Sr. staying on staff....
All that being said, I am putting my total and complete trust into Coach Mullins. I am not going to question a single move he makes early on. He will understand how to build a winner and if he thinks keeping Beane Sr. and Jimmy/Darius will help this program he will do it, if he thinks adding a different coach and letting them walk is the way to go then I will just go along with whatever he thinks. We begged for this move, so IF B-Mull is our head coach I won't be doing any backseat coaching for a while, just going to sit back , put my faith in him, and back him and the team.
father/uncle... so nobody has to play gotcha. I know they are not brothers.
There's much more potential for turning SIU around than there is for maintaining Loyola at it's current high level. When the Saluki's are rolling, they're not only a force in the region, but a name to be reckoned with nationally. SIU is a unique brand in an area where they're the whole show. All that's needed is the right spark to reignite the slumbering beast. Even during our great run over a decade ago, I'm not convinced we saw the best this program could be. I do think we were headed there before you know who got fat, lazy and too satisfied to continue doing the work that needed to be done on the recruiting trail.
This isn't a knock against Loyola. It just seems to me that they've all but maxed their potential over the past year. I'm not sure what it'd take to top their high-water mark to get them to that next level. Many potential pitfalls on the path to regression taking that program over, IMO.
As for the Beane's, I'd love to see them stay Saluki's, but a decision to retain Anthony Sr. should solely be up to the new head coach.
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Like others, I'm cool with whatever decision a new coach (we're getting a new coach, right?!?) makes on the Beanes, assuming they'll want to stay at Southern, which also is unclear.
The other factor is it's not a decision that will be made in a vacuum. It could well be that the new coach would like to keep Anthony Sr. on staff, but needs that slot for someone else that he's really excited about. So ... lots of variables.
There's much more potential for turning SIU around than there is for maintaining Loyola at it's current high level. When the Saluki's are rolling, they're not only a force in the region, but a name to be reckoned with nationally. SIU is a unique brand in an area where they're the whole show. All that's needed is the right spark to reignite the slumbering beast. Even during our great run over a decade ago, I'm not convinced we saw the best this program could be. I do think we were headed there before you know who got fat, lazy and too satisfied to continue doing the work that needed to be done on the recruiting trail.
This isn't a knock against Loyola. It just seems to me that they've all but maxed their potential over the past year. I'm not sure what it'd take to top their high-water mark to get them to that next level. Many potential pitfalls on the path to regression taking that program over, IMO.
As for the Beane's, I'd love to see them stay Saluki's, but a decision to retain Anthony Sr. should solely be up to the new head coach.
Loyola is recruiting at a much higher level in the last two years. I don’t see them taking much of an overall step back. I think they’ll be one of the top teams in the Valley for a bit.
Under no circumstances should the new coach be forced to take any assistant on the current staff, including coach Beane. The new coach should have complete control of his program as he pays the ultimate price in being fired if he hires the wrong guys. As far as coach Beane goes, I do not know him but have heard two things....one he is an absolutely great guy, and two not necessarily the hardest worker. Not saying thats true but have heard it over the years numerous times. Lastly if Coach Kill thought Coach Beane was capable of leading this program my guess is BH would have been gone mid season and Beane would have been named interim coach to finish out the year. My .02 cents worth.
Kill will not force a new coach to retain any previous coaches. Its not a thing. Kill has the power to give Beane a job in the department if he wants to try to keep AB in town. SIU will survive with or without DB. Seriously hope he stays but we cant lose sleep over this. Unfortunately we wouldn't even be having this conversation if his son didn't play here. AB knows this, we know this, everyone knows this. Its disingenuous to pretend otherwise. Let it play out but we can put this to bed. Kill wont to do it.
Craving a McBride Special!
It seems like Bryan Mullins is expected to be the next coach. His name is all over this thread including posts I've made. Is this a done deal or wishful thinking? Whomever is chosen should choose their staff regardless if the Beanes stay or not.
WOOF!
